From: (Neil Wagner) - CED Magic

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CED Digest Vol 2. No. 1 1/4/97 

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From: (Neil Wagner) 

To: ceds@teleport.com 

Subject: Stereo CED player wanted 

Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 17:28:55 GMT 

X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 

Hi, all. I'm still looking to buy a CED player with stereo 

and video line outputs. The SGT250 would do fine, I think. 

Anyone have one they'd like to part with? 

Neil - nw@ix.netcom.com 

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Subject: Videodisc History, Part 5 

Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 17:28:53 GMT 

X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 

More from my collection of old Popular Science magazines: 

>From the November 1979 "Look and Listen" - 

JVC updates VHD/AHD player 

A new version of its VHD/AHD (high-density video and audio) disc 

system was unveiled by JVC in the U.S. several months ago. JVC's 

disc player uses a mechanical-contact stylus to play two-sided, 

two-hour video discs; hardware might be marketed next year. An 

optional adapter can be plugged into JVC's player, enabling it to 

play pulse-code-modulation (PCM) audio discs with extraordinarily 

high fidelity. (Magnavox's Magnavision optical-disc machine being 

sold in a few cities has a non-contact laser beam for signal readout 

and plays back only TV signals.) 

JVC's latest player differs from the hardware shown in Japan last 

year primarily in the method of loading discs. Instead of loading 

discs on the turntable like a conventional record player, you now 

slide a heavy plastic sleeve holding a disc into the machine. The 

disc is automatically loaded on the turntable when the sleeve is 

withdrawn, and removed when the disc jacket is reinserted. 

This prevents smudging of the smooth-surface, grooveless disc, 

which, unlike some mechanical systems, can provide features like 

random access and still frame (available on Magnavision players). 

RCA modified its similar video-disc player for automatic loading 

after home tests showed smudging from handling was a serious 

problem. RCA's video-only system, however, has been based on discs

with grooves, making the two systems incompatible. JVC, RCA, and 

other firms developing mechanical-type video-disc systems have been 

conducting talks, though, trying to establish a compatible standard. 

RCA has been buying software and gearing up for marketing its 

system, perhaps in 1980. 


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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 08:36:24 -0600 

From: David Potochick 


Subject: In Regard To Previous Anouncements.... 

The Sears CED player that I previously advertised here is now resting in 

a trash heap somewhere. I couldn't get it to work and got really fed up 

with it..... It was at a point where it wouldn't play any disks.... So I 

TRASHED it!! Oh.... I also recently just bought a Stereo RCA CED player 

for $60. It came with a wireless remote and five movies. I found it at a 

resale shop. It's in mint condition and works Beautifully..... 

STEREO CED Note: 

I have the movie "Saturday Night Fever" in stereo. At the beginning of this 

movie, the left channel goes completely dead for about 30 seconds and 

then comes back. Does anyone else have this movie and the same 

problem?? The movie music also changes tempo at times.... It plays the 

same on both players I have. Is this a mastering problem??? 

Washing CED's 

I agree with Tom Howe on the Distilled water issue for rinsing. I also 

agree that this should only be done when a CED works improperly or is 

covered in fingerprints or mud. 

Tom Had a CED in his car??? Sheesh Tom..... you must be as much of a 

CED junkie as I am.... I thought I was bad..... I pick them up everywhere!!! 

However, I am getting more picky about what movies I purchase.... 

As far as CED's deteriorating from washing, I don't know if this 

happens... However, I will let everyone know the death date of the 

"Benji" CED that I washed.... if it does deteriorate. 

More Later...... 

Dave. 

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:19:07 -0600



Subject: More CED Stuff...... 

I recently went into Blockbuster Music and they were selling all their 

Laserdiscs for $9.99 and they said that they're going to quit carrying 

them and they were on clearance. Does this mean that the Laserdisc is 

on the way out and falling into the same fate as the CED did years 

ago??? Has anyone heard anything about the new format DVD??? Will it 

follow the same path as the CED??? Thoughts and ideas welcome??? 

Later, 

Dave 

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From: MELBANEW 

Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 10:08:36 -0500 


Subject: Re: CED 

2000 CED Disc and 10 players--$3500 

Bill 

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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 14:37:04 -0800 

From: Dave McMaster 

Organization: DMAC Industries 

MIME-Version: 1.0 

To: Tom Howe 

Subject: Re: CED Digest Vol. 1 No. 7 

Tom--I noticed that 'Hot Platters' has several CED's for sale (auction) 

on the net. Just look for 'Hot Platters' in any search engine. One I 

noted was a Joni Mitchell concert which may be relatively rare. 

Dave McMaster 

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From: THX70MMDTS 

Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:56:02 -0500 

To: ceds@teleport.com


Looking for "KING KONG"(1976), Vestron's "GODZILLA"(1954), and "GODZILLA 

1985"(1985) on CED. Have trade list available for anyone interested. Also 

have some DiscoVision and various LD's for possible trade. 

Thanks, 

Tony 

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From: "Geoff Oltmans" 

To: 

Subject: Looking for a Toshiba belt 

Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:50:48 -0700 

X-MSMail-Priority: Normal 

X-Priority: 3 


Greetings! 

I'm looking for a belt for a Toshiba VP-100. If you have any ideas, let me 

know. 

Also, does anyone know what the differences in the recording patterns of a 

CED and a LaserDisc? Looking at the surface of the disc, the patterns are 

pretty much identical (to the naked eye). 

*Geoff!* 

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 05:27:08 -0800 

From: Tom Howe 


Subject: Apocalypse Now CED 

The Doors Collectors web site has this for $8 (the movie contains some Doors 

music). It took me quite a while to find a decent copy of this on CED. The URL 

is: 

http://www.doors.com/door_mem 

--Tom 

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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:47:28 -0600 



Subject: CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 1 -Reply

A CED STORY 

I recently bought "THE HOWLING" on CED at an antique mall. But, "THE 

HOWLING" wasn't in the caddy. Instead, when I put it in my player, I saw 

the movie, "Savannah Smiles". I guess I should have checkede the 

numbers on the disk and the caddy. But, I never saw this movie and I 

really enjoyed it. So I lucked out and retitled my CED caddy. 

Be sure to check the number on the disk and the number on the caddy 

and see that they match. 

Later, 

Dave. 

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From: MLandry683 

Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:35:45 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: 250 titles and 6 working players for sale..... 

I have 250 movies and six working players for sale. The best offer takes them 

all if you are interested e-mail me at Mlandry683@Aol.Com. Hopefuly they will 

go fast so don't delay. 

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 04:21:45 GMT 

Still more from my collection of old Popular Science magazines - 

>From the March, 1980, "Look and Listen" by John Free: 

Quick Looks 

IBM has joined forces with MCA and Japan's Pioneer to produce and 

market optical video-disc players. GM now has two-thirds of 10,000 

players it ordered. 

Latest entry to the video tape and disc software field is Warner 

Communications' WCI Home Video Inc. For 1980, it's planning 55 

releases. 

>From the May, 1980, "Look and Listen" by William J. Hawkins: 

Quick Looks 

The latest on video discs? Matsushita is dumping its grooveguided 

pressure pickup system and is joining with JVC to produce its 

Electro-Tracking Capacitance pickup system. This capacitance 

technique is designed to be inexpensive, like the RCA Groove-Guided 

Capacitance system, but groovelss, like the Philips-MCA Optical- 

Tracking pickup syste, so special effects such as slow scan and

freeze-frame can be built in. Meanwhile, RCA has signed a deal with 

CBS for the manufacturing and distribution of SelectaVision discs. 

That should guarantee software availability when the machine is 

introduced in December. 


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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 09:18:42 -0600 



Subject: Lines in the middle of the disk. 

What are the circular lines in the middle of the CED disk for??? Are they 

for Chapters or tracks of the disk??? I've yet to see a player that actually 

uses these lines... Both of the players I have have no mechanism to use 

these lines.... Does anyone know what they are for??? 

Dave. 

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From: MELBANEW 

Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 17:27:56 -0500 (EST) 

To: CEDS@teleport.com 

Subject: CEDS 

400 CED DISC TITLES AND 2 PLAYERS, 1 PLAYER WITH REMOTE CONTROL, $890.00. 

BILL 

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 06:13:45 -0800 



Subject: CED Magic Update 

As promised, the Featured CED at the web site is NFL Football, which is actually 

an arcade game that used two different discs. The CED Title Database has also 

been fully linked to the Internet Movie Database. The site URL is: 

http://www.teleport.com/~ceds/selectavision.html 

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Subject: Re: CED Magic Update 

Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 04:04:27 GMT 

On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Tom Howe wrote 

to the CED mailing list: 

> The CED Title Database has also been fully linked to 

> the Internet Movie Database. The site URL is: 

> http://www.teleport.com/~ceds/selectavision.html 

Hey, Tom, this sounds great. I'm off to check it out. 


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Here's a big one. A full two page article with photos and cutaway 

diagrams from the July 1980 Popular Science. (Sorry, I don't have 

the capability to reproduce the pictures on the computer.) 

Optical vs. mechanical: 

the coming battle of the 

VIDEO-DISC PLAYERS 

Several incompatible disc machines will 

tease the eager buyer next year. 

--------------------------------------by 

John Free 

If you're confused by ads citing advantages of one video-*tape* 

machine over an incompatible competitor, brace yourself. More 

befuddlement is brewing. Early next year, makers of two--and perhaps 

three--mutually incompatible video-*disc* players will each be 

shouting the virtues of their products while cleverly knocking the 

others. 

Battle lines between two differing disc technologies took shape in 

the early 1970's with demonstrations of early lab prototypes. Despite 

attempts at standardization, the lines hardened for two types of disc 

players. Optical, involving touchless disc playback with a laser 

beam, and mechanical systems, requiring contact between the disc and 

pickup stylus. 

Proponents of the mechanical system point out the basic simplicity 

of their approach and its low costs for mass marketing. Those favoring 

optical systems stress the no-wear advantages of laser-beam 

playback. (Lasers last over 10,000 hours.) Proponents of the optical

oute also say that mass production of optics and a switch to solidstate 

lasers will cut prices. 

Pictures I've seen from the newest Pioneer, Magnavox, and RCA 

players are all amazingly detailed and noise-free. What follows 

should help delineate the differences between these players. 

Optical machines: laser playback 

Two optical video-disc players, made by Japan's Universal Pioneer 

Corp. and by Magnavox here, are being test-marketed in a limited 

number of cities. Magnavox plans nationwide sales this year, Pioneer 

next year. The machines play compatible 12-inch discs by bouncing a 

focused laser beam from a spiral track of microscopic pits etched on 

the disc's reflective surface. A clear plastic coating makes the disc 

immune to dust and smudges from handling. Two types of discs are 

sold: Those with a half hour per side of programming play at 1800 

rpm. Player controls enable you to freeze a TV picture, quickly scan 

a disc, play forward and reverse slow motion, or pick a specific TV 

frame by displaying its number on the screen. Pioneer's VP-1000 

player and remote control have a numbered key pad for direct framenumber 

selection; Magnavox's Magnavision requires scanning to the 

desired frame. Hour-per-side discs have more than one TV frame on 

each circular track, so freeze-frame and related features will not 

work. (Playback rpm gradually changes from inner to outer tracks.) 

Both players have output jacks for optional stereo hi-fi (or duallanguage 

tracks). Pioneer Artists Inc. and other new software firms 

will provide a stream of stereo/video music performances. Also, movie 

makers plan to release films to theaters and for discs almost simultaneously. 

Discs cost from $6 to $25. Both players, with minor 

variations, have laser-based optics to play discs standardized by 

Philips and MCA. A beam from a laser is deflected by a prism and 

mirrors through a lens onto the disc. Metal between pits flashes 

light back to a photodetector for conversion to an electronic TV 

signal. The entire mechanism moves radially on a slide linked to 

the electronic servo circuits that control its movement. 

[Caption of accompanying photo/diagram: Feature-packed $749 Pioneer 

machine has an optional $50 remote control. Player accepts a plug-in 

option for future digital audio discs.] 

RCA: grooved capacitance disc 

RCA's SelectaVision video-disc player has been completely overhauled 

since it was introduced and field-tested several years ago. The basic 

playback principle is unchanged: A stylus electrode, replaced every 

two or three years, senses the TV signal as electrical capacitance 

variations in disc grooves spinning at 450 rpm. Playing time was 

boosted to one hour per 12-inch disc side by doubling disc grooves to 

just under 10,000 per inch. Home tests showed that dust and other 

groove contaminants from handling messed up pictures. So, RCA's

improved SelectaVision has sealed disc "caddies." Slip the caddy into 

a player slot and the disc is loaded automatically. This contactfree, 

sealed-player approach sharply reduces groove contamination. 

Spiral grooves, with four TV frames per revolution, do not permit 

freeze-frame and similar features now. These operating features may 

go into future step-up models using electronic memories to store 

images. Two fast-search buttons, though, let you jump the stylus 

forward or back to quickly locate a scene visually. Also, two other 

search buttons move the tone arm and display its position as time on 

digital readouts. RCA does not plan to include stereo hi-fi capability 

on its initial model, slated for nationwide marketing early next 

year. The player's simple construction, plus many microcircuits, 

should keep RCA's price under $500. Discs will be $15 to $20, depending 

on content. RCA's low-cost approach has gained powerful allies: 

Zenith and undoubtedly other TV firms will market or make Selecta- 

Visions. CBS Inc. will help expand disc titles from 150 to 300 in the 

first year. Programs from several film companies range from classics, 

musicals, current films, and how-to, to TV series such as "Star Trek" 

(10 episodes) and "Victory at Sea" (a 90-minute version), and "Heidi" 

and "Hans Brinker" for children. 

[Caption of accompanying photo/diagram: Metal-backed diamond stylus 

forms electronic circuit to convert minute capacitance variations in 

grooves into TV pictures. Compact, microcomputer-controlled player 

has viewing window.] 

JVC: grooveless capacitance disc 

Victor Company of Japan (or JVC here) rolled out a disc system in 1978 

that combines the low-cost aspects of SelectaVision with the operating 

options--freeze-frame, slow-motion, etc.--of optical machines. Not 

only that, JVC included options for a super-hi-fi audio disc. It 

calls the whole package its VHD/AHD system (video and audio high density). 

Matsushita, Victor's parent firm in Japan, could offer VHD/AHD 

through its Panasonic and Quasar subsidiaries. An announcement about 

marketing is expected this summer. VHD/AHD hour-per-side discs are 

just over 10 inches in diameter and rotate at 900 rpm. Signals are 

stored as capacitance variations, produced by minute pits in the conductive 

plastic. The stylus rests over several spiral tracks, distributing 

pressure and minimzing wear. (Stylus life is 2000 hours, 

roughly 10 times RCA's.) But the metal stylus electrode "reads" just 

one information track and the tracking signals on either side of it. 

These tracking signals keep the stylus on the right path by feeding 

current to a coil/magnet combination on the arm, which can move sideways. 

The cantilever arm can also be stretched or shortened instantly 

to correct for speed variations (time-base errors). Signals sent to 

coils can be used to make the stylus replay one frame continuously, 

move ahead or back at slow speed, etc. JVC has also demonstrated an 

optional random-access unit with a wireless remote control for the 

main VHD/AHD player. It has memories and numbered key pads for pre-

programmed display of selected TV frames. Another plug-in option 

unscrambles digitally coded audio discs that have a dynamic range over 

90 dB and other super-fidelity specifications. At this writing, JVC 

has not revealed video software sources needed to sell its system 

successfully. Europe's Thorn-EMI Ltd., though, has agreed to produce 

both players and software. 

[Caption of accompanying photo/diagram: Prototype player has slot for 

loading discs from JVC's sealed caddies. The stylus, which can be 

electromechanically maneuvered, wears down along its entire length for 

long life.] 


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Subject: VP1000 weak audio output 


My brother just bought a Zenith VP1000 and about 20 

discs at a flea market. The player works okay, but the 

sound output is very low. He says he really has to 

crank up the volume on his TV. 

The SGT100 I bought a while back is even worse, though 

it has a bad picture to boot. Still, I wonder if its 

inherent in the CED format that the audio is weak, or 

is it indicative of a problem with our players? 

Alas, Tom, there was no manual with the VP1000. 


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Subject: Re: checking the disc vs. caddy I.D. 


On Wed, 08 Jan 1997, David Potochick 

wrote to the CED mailing list: 

>Be sure to check the number on the disk and the number on the caddy 

>and see that they match. 

Fine, but how can that be done at a store quickly? What's the best 

and quickest technique for opening the caddy? 

Neil - nw@ix.netcom.com

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From: RJGRAHAM 

Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:28:55 -0600 


Subject: RE:CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 2 

Hi Tom, 

We were always told that a CED could only have 60 minutes of programming per 

side, but Major Dundee clocks at over 61 minutes on side one. Since the title 

was relased towards the end of production, I have always wondered if this was 

the result of improved technology, or whether CEDs always had the capacity for 

more than 60 minutes of programming (and were there some 2 disk sets that 

actually could have been issued on a single disk). So I thought I'd throw the 

question out: "Anyone else know of any disks that had more than 60 minutes of 

programming on one side?". 

Bob Graham 

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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:31:16 +0100 


From: (Emmanuel Goedseels) 

Subject: Music CED/LDs 

Hello, 

I am collecting Music LDs. If someone on this list has Music CED/LDs for 

trade, please contact me !. 

BTW, I would like to know how to find what it ever existed on LDs. Is 

there, somewhere, a catalog or a Web Site or something else which enable me 

to find these deleted LDs. I visited the catalog from this list owner, it 

is really great ! I was just wondering if such catalog exists for LD's 

(from '86 until now). 

I know what is available now, but what was available just after the 

"LaserVision/CED" times. 

Thanks for your help. 

Regards 

Emmanuel 

goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be 

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:33:20 -0800 



Subject: RE: Toshiba Turntable Drive Belt 

For the past year, I've been trying to find original, unused rubber belts for 

Toshiba, Hitachi, and Sanyo players to take precise measurements off. This would 

be for the "CED Player Belt Replacement Guide" I'm working on. These don't 

appear to be available anywhere, so I may have to finish the guide based on 

approximations. But the good news is that most of the belts were off-the-shelf 

designs, so it's just a matter of getting a substitute belt close enough to the 

original to work. 

Regarding the Toshiba Turntable Drive Belt (also used in the Wards and Elmo OEM 

knockoffs), if the belt is merely falling off, it may simply be installed 

insideout. The turntable motor pulley in the Toshiba player is unflanged, and at 

first thought one might wonder how the belt ever stays on it at all. What keeps 

it in place is the natural "curl" of the flat rubber belt where the belt has a 

tendency when pinched to curl in one direction or the other. Toshiba put a white 

mark on the outside of their belts, so the belt should be installed with this 

facing out. If the belt is broken or stretched to the point that it no longer 

fits, then a belt close in size to the original will work. The drive path in the 

Toshiba player is 31" and design convention dictates a belt 5 to 10% smaller in 

circumference. Therefore a flat rubber belt 28" to 30" in circumference with a 

width of 0.3125" should work. The width is important, since narrower belts may 

not have enough curl to keep them on the motor pulley. You may be able to find a 

local supplier for this size belt by checking in the phone directory under 

"Electronic Equipment- Service & Repair" . 

--Tom 

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:48:47 -0800 



Subject: FORWARDED TO CED DIGEST FROM MISC.FORSALE 

Subject: RCA Videodisc player and videodiscs 

From: sundeck@ix.netcom.com(N.J.C. ) 

Date: 1997/01/14 

Message-Id: 

Organization: Netcom 

X-Netcom-Date: Tue Jan 14 1:25:57 PM CST 1997 

Newsgroups: misc.forsale,misc.forsale.non-Computer 

Selectavision Videodisc Player SGT250 

with 45 videodiscs titles (Casablanca, 

Rocky I thru Iv etc) These are CED discs 

(Capacitance Electronic) All for $250 

plus shipping 

mail to sundeck@ix.netcom.com

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Subject: Re: Music CED/LDs 

Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:21:04 GMT 

On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 (Emmanuel Goedseels) 

wrote: 

>I was just wondering if such catalog exists for LD's (from '86 

>until now). I know what is available now, but what was available 

>just after the "LaserVision/CED" times. 

Since the laser format actually predated the CED format by a few 

years, you should be looking for laser titles from about '79 through 

'86 as well. I too am curious if such a listing exists. 

FWIW, I have several of the older Pioneer Artists 8-inch laser discs: 

Pointer Sisters, So Excited, 7 songs, 30 min., 1986 

Martin Briley, Dangerous Moments, 3 songs, 14 min., 1985 

Heart, 4 songs, 17 min., 1986 

an older 12-inch laser disc: 

MTV Closet Classics, 14 songs, 60 min., 1986 

and a newer MCA 8-inch laser disc: 

Spinal Tap, Break Like the Wind, 3 songs, 13 min., 1992 

In CED, I have the prized "rockumentary" about The Who, "The Kids Are 

Alright." I was told this was the first ever stereo CED. Can anyone 

confirm this? 


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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:21:11 GMT 

More from the vaults of Popular Science. 

>From the November 1980 "Look and Listen" by John Free - 

Video-disc Update 

Another comabatant in the coming 1981 battle over video discs may be

General Electric. GE announced just before the electronics show [CES 

in Chicago - ed.] that it's discussing a joint venture with Japan's 

Matsushita and JVC and England's Thorn EMI Ltd. to market the VHD 

(video high density) disc system and its software (programming). The 

VHD system was demonstrated at the Consumer Electronics Show by Panasonic 

and JVC, both Matsushita subsidiaries. The giant Japanese firm 

says it may have VHD players on the market by late 1981. They would 

be priced to compete with RCA's under-$500 SelectaVision disc palyer, 

slated for introduction early in 1981. RCA recently dubbed its system 

CED, for Capacitance Electronic Disc; it will also be sold by Sears 

Roebuck. 

Both the CED and VHD systems sense TV signals encoded as capacitance 

variations in discs when a stylus contacts the disc surface. But 

discs for one system are not compatible with the other. Magnavox and 

Pioneer both expect to market their optical systems ($700-$750) 

nationwide next year, too. Optical discs, played back by a laser 

beam, are compatible between the Pioneer and Magnavox players. 

>From the June 1981 "What's New in Electronics" - 

CED Videodisc 

Insert a CED videodisc into this Hitachi VIP-1000 player and enjoy 

the show for the next two hours. Buttons control two fast-forward and 

reverse speeds, pause, and still framing. The $500 player has 

connections for audio, video, or RF output and for optional remote 

control. [A small picture of the player accompanies the article.] 


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From: "Zach D." 

Organization: Velvet Pants Prod. 

To: Tom Howe 

Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:03:10 -0500 

Subject: CED Digest Entry 

Priority: normal 

Fellow CED Collectors: 

I finally put my CED want/trade/sale list on-line. 

Please visit 

http://www.hub.ofthe.net/~zachd/flea/zach/ced.htm 

This is my immediate for-sale/trade list followed by my most wanted 

list (bigger lists are on the web site) 

Zach's For Sale or Trade List:

2001: A Space Odyssey CBS Disk 2 Only $3.00 

American Werewolf in London, AN RCA $6.00 

Animal House, Natl. Lampoon's RCA $6.00 

Blazing Saddles RCA $6.00 

Blues Brothers RCA Disk 2 Only $3.00 

Dumbo, Walt Disney's RCA $10.00 

Fistful of Dollars, A RCA $6.00 

Heaven Can Wait RCA $3.00 

He-Man & the Masters of the Univ RCA 4 episodes $9.00 

Flaming Star CBS Elvis Baby $10.00 

Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, The CBS 2 Disks $6.50 

Graduate, The RCA $6.00 

Magnificent Seven, The RCA Disk 1 Only $3.00 

Quick Dog Training with B. Wood RCA SOLD 

Searchers, The RCA $6.00 

Star Trek the Motion Picture RCA 2 Disks $15.00 

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn RCA $8.00 

Vacation, National Lampoon's RCA $6.00 

Wild Bunch, The RCA 2 Disks $6.00 

Zach's Most Wanted List! 

4 Clockwork Orange, A (2) {76476031213} 

4 Taxi Driver {76476030322} 

4 Blade Runner** {42995138061} 

4 Pee-wee's Big Adventure** {25757115234} 

4 Lolita (2) {27616100689} 

4 Apocalypse Now {76476006679} 

4 Barbarella {76476006105} 

4 Citizen Kane {76476004019} 

4 Psycho {76476033156} 

4 Return of the Jedi (2)** {24543147893} 

3 Blow Out {76476019037} 

3 Rosemary's Baby (2) {76476006211} 

3 Deer Hunter, The (2)** {76476133115} 

3 Warriors, The {37757011225} 

3 Metalstorm: The Destruction of Jared-Syn** {47897400452} 

3 Yor, the Hunter from the Future {76476030728} 

3 Breathless {76476019136} (Is this Goddard film or 80's?) 

3 King of Comedy, The {76476021702} 

thanks! 

Talk to ya later, 

Zach 

------------------------------Cut Along Dotted Lines---------------------- 

The Net's Best Virtual Flea Market: http://www.hub.ofthe.net/~zachd/flea1.htm 

- 19 Dealers and growing! All used goods, all low prices! Visit NOW. -

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:46:44 -0800 

From: "Allen F. Hauss" 

Organization: Upper Merion Area Public Schools 



Subject: Toshiba Belt needed! 

X-URL: http://www.teleport.com/~ceds/ced-digest.html 

I have a Wards GEN 10301 (Toshiba 100) player, and am in need of the 

platter drive belt! Any help locating one would be greatly appreciated! 

allen hauss ahauss@aol.com 

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:01:27 -0600 



Subject: Checking CED Numbers & Etc...... 

I usually just put my car key in the slot of the CED and open it in a store.... 

This is fast for me.... Then I make sure that the number on the disk 

matches the number on the caddy.... Now I do that more than before.... 

UPDATE ON WASHING DISCS...... 

The Benji CED that I washed is still working fine...... 

-WARPED DISCS- 

I recently bought Cheech And Chongs "Nice Dreams".... When I got it 

home, I found out that it was a little too warped to play properly.... Does 

anyone know a good way to flatten CED's???? I really don't want to end 

up damaging this movie...... 

Later, 

Dave. 

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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 19:11:47 -0800 



Subject: FORWARDED TO CED DIGEST FROM ALT.VIDEO.LASERDISC 

Subject: Original VideoDisc Dates Back to 1927 


Date: 1997/01/19 

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Newsgroups: alt.video.laserdisc 

Hello: 

There was recently a thread where someone believing the RCA SelectaVision 

VideoDisc was the first VideoDisc format was corrected by some subsequent 

posts indicating the LaserDisc predated it by a few years. Well, the 

first VideoDisc format was actually John Logie Baird's Phonovision, first 

produced in 1927 and commercially sold in a modified form in Great 

Britain during the early 1930's. After a long period of VideoDisc 

inactivity, the A.E.G. Telefunken Teldec system was publicly demonstrated 

in June 1970, and commercially sold in Germany for about a year starting 

in April 1975. An article on Teldec appears in the January 1971 issue of 

_Popular Science_. 

More information on the 1927 Phonovision can be found at this website: 

http://members.aol.com/mcleandon/tv_index.htm 

And to get an idea what 30 lines of video resolution looked like back 

then, check out the quicktime movie at this site: 

http://www.bravo.ca/mztv/televisor.html 

--Tom Howe 

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CED Magic at http://www.teleport.com/~ceds/selectavision.html 

Extensive Information on the RCA SelectaVision VideoDisc System 

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Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 01:39:10 -0800 



Subject: First Stereo VideoDisc 

In response to the question, What was the first stereo VideoDisc? There actually 

wasn't a single disc, as RCA simultaneously introduced eight stereo titles along 

with the SGT200 and SGT250 players in May 1982. Those initial eight titles were: 

Popeye* 

Jazz Singer, The [1980]** 

Pink Floyd at Pompeii* 

Pippin* 

Paul Simon In Concert*

Rod Stewart: Live at the Los Angeles Forum* 

Eubie!* 

Paul McCartney & Wings Rockshow* 

The above titles are listed in stock number order, which may or may not reflect 

the order in which they were pressed at the factory. The first two titles are 

movies with the stock number starting with 10, while the last six are musical 

performances with the stock number starting with 12. The CED title "The Kids are 

Alright" was an early stereo title, but wasn't released until a couple months 

after the above in July 1982. 

Another question that comes up is, What was the first ever VideoDisc? Like the 

above, there were a number of titles available for purchase at the CED launch in 

March 1981, as RCA had spent most of 1980 and early 1981 pressing a warehouse 

full of discs for the nationwide launch. But according to the publication _RCA 

Engineer_ the first production title mastered was "Race for Your Life, Charlie 

Brown", which curiously enough isn't even close to having the lowest numerical 

stock number. If you look at this title, you may notice the rainbow-style label 

pattern. Other titles with this rainbow pattern like "The Love Bug" and "The 

Philadelphia Story" may be among the first titles pressed, as this would make 

sense from a manufacturing standpoint. 

--Tom Howe 

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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 16:28:17 -0800 (PST) 

From: Jesse Skeen 

To: Tom Howe 



Question: What were ALL of the first CED titles that were available at 

the launch? 

Also, I've been told the 2 very last CED's were Youngblood and Enemy Mine. 

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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 23:54:37 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: CED question 

Tom Howe: 

You recently answered an inquiry on the first stereo and first ever CED discs

pressed/released. What about the last??? What titles were the last ones 

pressed by RCA and what month and year did they arrive??? I have a "Return 

of the Jedi" that I've been told was pretty near the end of CED. 

Thanks, 

Tony 

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From: kstallman 


Subject: Stereo player 

X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-8 

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 02:05:58 EST 

I'm looking for a decent stereo player. The SJT250 should do it. Please 

let me know if you have one for sale or where I can get one. 

Thanks. 

Kaleb Stallman 

4601 Westbury Drive 

Fort Collins, CO 80526 

EMAIL:Kstallman@juno.com 

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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 15:54:13 -0600 



Subject: CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 5 -Reply 

Not a very big last issue..... So, I thought that I would at least send 

something to add to the next CED Digest...... 

-CED Do's and Don'ts- 

Do not try to substitute vaseline or toothpaste for the CED disk 

lubricant.... This can cause a very big mess. 

Do not allow your weird friends to take the top off of your CED player 

and say things like,"OOOOH, NEAT!!!" 

Do be sure to take a plastic wrap off of your CED movie before putting it 

into your player..... 

Do not try to play discs that are warped or cracked... However, 

sometimes this is hard to determine..... Not many people know how to 

open a CED case. 

Do not forget to eject a CED before turning off the player.... Sometimes 

the turntable keeps running....

Do not leave the caddy in the player while it is being ejected from the 

motorized loading models.... 

Do not try to play 45 rpm records inside of your CED player.... On the 

same note, Do not try to play a CED on a phonograph.... 

Do not try to put a laser disc in a CED player.... 

Do not try to put a CED in a Laserdisc player.... 

Do not try to put a 1927 phonovision disc in a CED player.... 

(All of this is from experience..... Really... I'm not joking....) 

Overall..... Do enjoy your CED Player!!! 

Later, 

Dave. 

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:10:18 -0600 



Subject: CED Question 

My friend recently got a CED player and it has no sound..... The picture 

looks great but it has no sound.... It's an RCA model, manual loading, I 

don't have the model number in front of me.... Would anyone have any 

information about this problem???? 

Thanks, 

Dave. 

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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 02:14:00 GMT 

More from my old Popular Science magazines. This'll be the last of 

these for a while until I can page through the remainder of my 

collection 1700 miles away in the Chicago area. 

A short snippet taken from a longer article entitled "Home 

Electronics: Currents for the 80's" by Arthur Fisher, published in the 

November 1980 issue of P.S.

"The video-disc player, with prerecorded films and other programming 

at a much lower price [than video tapes, then - Ed.], has only just 

begun to appear. Yet, the FCC projects, 'disc player sales are 

expected to surpass VCR sales within five years.' Regrettably, the 

disc player outlook is also counded by a variety of competing, 

incompatible systems." 


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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:57:49 -0600 




We know the title of the first CED that was pressed. But, what was the 

LAST CED to be pressed???? Does anyone know???? 

Just Curious, 

Dave. 

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From: VirtualRKJ 

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 21:53:43 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: CED Collection 

I am writing on behalf of a non-profit organization which recently received a 

collection of 650 RCA Video Disks and 4 players. They have been donated 

from a private collector and have therefore been played very little. 

Below is a list of the machines and the movies in the collection. (The 2 

following some means that there are 2 movies of the same title) 

Please E-Mail me if you have an interest. 

1. RCA Selecta Vision SJT 200 

2. RCA Selecta Vision SFT 100 w 



Paths of Glory 

2. Sargent York 

3. The Last Valley 

4. The Boys from Brazil 

5. A Bridge Too Far 

6. The Guns of Navarone 

7. Taps

8. The Days of War 

9. The Dirty Dozen 

10. Go Tell the Spartens 

11. The Great Escape 

12. Patton - 2 

13. Missing in Action II 

14. Red Dawn 

15. Tank 

16. Charge of the Light Brigade 

17. Apocalypse Now 

18. Twelve O-Clock High I 

19. Twelve O-Clock High II 

20. Kelly's Heron 

21. The Big Red One 

22. Stalig 17 

23. Sands of Iwo Jima 

24. The Blue Man I 

25. The Blue Man II 

26. Spellbound 

27. The Farmer's Daughter 

28. Carny 

29. Tightrope 

30. Protocol 

31. The Great Gatsby - 2 

32. Chariots of Fire 

33. Forbidden Planet 

34. The Green Berets - 2 

35. Coal Miners Daughter 

36. Grease 

37. Romancing the Stone 

38. The Right Stuff -2 

39. The Sting - 2 

40. Raise the Titanic 

41. Murder by Death 

42. Swing Time 

43. Easter Parade 

44. The Karate Kid - 2 

45. The War Lover 

46. Sparticus 

47. The Pride and the Passion I 

48. The Pride and the Passion II 

49. Air Force 

50. Iceman 

51. The Spiral Staircase 

52. Zelig 

53. Zero to 60 

54. The Pink Panther 

55. Revenge of the Pink Panther 

56. Return of the Pink Panther 

57. Killer Force

58. Heidi 

59. The Count of Monte Crisco 

60. Casablanca 

61. Mildred Pierce 

62. Blue Thunder 

63. Escape from New York 

64. Big Jake 

65. High Road to China 

66. Dr. No 

67. You Only Live Twice 

68. Tom and Jerry II 

69. Octopussy 

70. Thunderball - 2 

71. Seven Days in May 

72. Slave of the Cannibal God 

73. Shaft 

74. Wrong is Right 

75. City Heat 

76. Uncommon Valor 

77. Porkys 

78. The Bugs Bunny Road Runner Movie 

79. Fire Fox 

80. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 2 

81. Live and Let Die 

82. For Your Eyes Only 

83. Heart Like a Wheel 

84. Super Girl 

85. Capricorn One 

86. Frankenstein 

87. Outland 

88. Superman the Movie - 2 

89. Superman II - 2 

90. Excalibur - 2 

91. Cloak and Dagger 

92. 2010 

93. The Final Count Down 

94. Future World 

95. Treasure of the Four Crowns 

96. The Last Star Fighter 

97. Battle Beyond the Stars 

98. The Bounty 

99. Rocky 

100. Rocky II 

101. Rocky III 

102. The Four Musketeers 

103. The Three Musketeers 

104. Time Bandits 

105. Comes a Horseman 

106. Victory at Sea 

107. The Night Porter

108. The Lion in Winter 

109. Victory 

110. Marty 

111. The Soldier 

112. Bonnie and Clyde 

113. Eddie Macon's Run 

114. Magnum Force 

115. Judgement 

116. The Confessions 

117. Tentacles 

118. They Call Me Mr. Tibbs 

119. Marathon Man 

120. The Amateur 

121. Stick 

122. Kill Point 

123. Endangered Species 

124. The Evil That Men Do 

125. Dirty Harry 

126. The Roaring 20's 

127. Little Caesar 

128. The Defiant Ones 

129. Cutters Way 

130. Star Trek - The Menagerie 

131. Star Trek - The Motion Picture 

132. Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan 

133. Logan's Run 

134. The War of the Worlds 

135. Megaforce 

136. The Time Machine 

137. Star Wars 

138. Return of the Jedi I 

139. Return of the Jedi II 

140. The Empire Strikes Back 

141. Runaway 

142. Monsignor 

143. The Last Chase 

144. Looken to get Out 

145. Jaws II 

146. The Stunt Man I 

147. The Stunt Man II 

148. The Terminator 

149. Saturn 3 

150. Cannonball Run II 

151. Inn of the Sixth Happiness I 

152. Inn of the Sixth Happiness II 

153. Exodus I 

154. Exodus II 

155. Papillon 

156. Cannery Row 

157. Greystoke - The Legend of Tarzan

158. Ben Hur 

159. Hard Times 

160. Hombre 

161. Citizen Kane 

162. Lawrence of Arabia - 2 

163. The Taking of Pelham I 

164. The Taking of Pelham II 

165. The Taking of Pelham III 

166. The Days of Condor 

167. The Bears and I 

168. The Man Who Would be King I 

169. The Exterminator 

170. Never Say Never Again - 2 

171. A View to Kill -2 

172. From Russia with Love 

173. The Spy who Loved me 

174. Tom and Jerry 

175. Gone with the Wind II 

176. The Love in Winter 

177. Gentleman Jim 

178. The African Queen 

179. Nate and Hayes 

180. King Kong 

181. The Poseiden Adventure 

182. First Blood 

183. The Apartment 

184. Hamlet -2 

185. A Man for all Seasons 

186. The Boys in the Band 

187. The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas 

188. The Ten Commandments - 2 

189. Rich and Famous 

190. Yentl I 

191. Yentl II 

192. Z 

193. Moses I 

194. Moses II 

195. The Sea Hawk 

196. Bolero - 2 

197. Four Friends 

198. Hanover Street 

199. The Verdict I 

200. The Verdict II 

201. Reds - 2 

202. Carrie 

203. The Man from Snowy River 

204. Planet of the Apes 

205. A Place in the Sun 

206. White Line Fever 

207. Mandingo

208. Star 80 

209. Swing Shift 

210. Death Race 2000 

211. Henry II 

212. The Gauntlet 

213. Sudden Impact 

214. TopaKi 

215. The Enforcer 

216. Agency 

217. Christine 

218. The Anderson Tapes 

219. Arsenic and Old Lace 

220. Coma 

221. Great Movie Stunts - The Making of 

222. Key Largo 

223. Lady Chatterley's Lover 

224. The French Lieutenant's Woman 

225. My Favorite Year 

226. Diner 

227. White Christmas 

228. That Championship Season 

229. Raiders of the Lost Ark 

230. The Pride of the Yankees - 2 

231. Cleopatra I 

232. Cleopatra II 

233. The End 

234. Fanny and Alexander 

235. On The Beach I 

236. On The Beach II 

237. Irma La Douce I 

238. Irma La Douce II 

239. Breakfast at Tiffanys 

240. Sylvester 

241. Death Wish II 

242. Missing 

243. The Red Shoes - 2 

244. Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines I 

245. Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines II 

246. The Billion Dollar Hobo 

247. The Cotton Club - 2 

248. The Island of Dr. Moreau 

249. California Suite 

250. Norma Rae 

251. Washington Affair 

252. All The President's Men - 2 

253. The Man Who Would be King 

254. The Jewel of the Nile 

255. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre 

256. She Wore a Yellow Ribbon 

257. The Apple Dumpling Gang

258. The Return of a Man Called Horse 

259. The Missouri Breaks 

260. Old Yeller 

261. Hang Em High 

262. Gunfight At the OK Corral 

263. The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly - 2 

264. The Electric Horseman 

265. For a Few Dollars 

266. The Magnificent Seven - 2 

267. Dodge City 

268. The Thing 

269. Alvarez Kelly 

270. The Shootist 

271. The Great Locomotive Chase 

272. El Dorado 

273. Blazing Saddles 

274. Red River - 2 

275. The Comancheros 

276. The Alamo I 

277. The Alamo II 

278. Breakheart Pass 

279. The Sons of Katie Elder 

280. Shane 

281. High Noon 

282. The Horse Soldiers 

283. The Four Seasons 

284. Smokey and the Bandit 

285. Stripes 

286. The Next Day 

287. The Good Bye Girl 

288. The Odd Couple 

289. Buddy Buddy 

290. Herbie Rides Again 

291. The Love Bug 

292. Adam's Rib 

293. The Shaggy Dog 

294. Any Which Way You Can 

295. Every Which Way But Loose 

296. Airplane 

297. A night of the Opera 

298. Arthur 

299. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang I 

300. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang II 

301. Airplane the Sequel 

302. Some Like it Hot 

303. A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum 

304. Easy Money 

305. The Toy 

306. A Day at the Races 

307. The Sting II

308. Victor / Victoria - 2 

309. The Cannonball Run 

310. Laurel and Hardy - Deuces 

311. Six Pack 

312. Oh God! 

313. The Great Dictator 

314. What's up Doc 

315. Private Benjamin 

316. 9 to 5 

317. Used Cars 

318. The Absent Minded Professor 

319. Caddy Shack 

320. Some Kind of Hero 

321. Mister Roberts 

322. Stir Crazy 

323. Modern Problems 

324. Animal Crackers 

325. Trading Places 

326. On Golden Pond 

327. The Natural - 2 

328. High Sierra 

329. A Thousand Clowns 

330. Rambo First Blood I 

331. Rambo First Blood II 

332. Winter Hills 

333. The Big Sleep 

334. White Lightening 

335. The Quiet Man - 2 

336. The Great Train Robbery 

337. White Heat 

338. Captain Blood 

339. The Longest Day - 2 

340. 48 Hours 

341. Bloody Mary 

342. Ragtime - 2 

343. The Fog 

344. The Wild Bunch - 2 

345. Yankee Doodle Dandy 

346. The Raven 

347. Tarzan The Ape Man 

348. Boxcar Bertha 

349. Amadeus - 2 

350. Bandolero - 2 

351. The Kentuckian 

352. Heaven's Gate 

353. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence 

354. North to Alaska 

355. Rio Bravo 

356. The Long Riders 

357. A Man Called Horse

358. North Hawks 

359. Death Hunt 

360. Jeremiah Johnson 

361. Candle Shoe 

362. Julia 

363. Semi - Tough 

364. The Happy Hooker 

365. Back Roads 

366. Max Dugan Returns 

367. Hello Dolly - 2 

368. Ziegfield Follies 

369. Giselle 

370. Huckleberry Finn 

371. On the Town 

372. That's Entertainment 

373. The Pirate 

374. Funny Girl - 2 

375. Run Silent - Run Deep 

376. The Searchers 

377. For a Few Dollars More I 

378. For a Few Dollars More II 

379. The Boat - 2 

380. Back to the Future 

381. The Mountain Men 

382. The Champ 

383. Tootsie 

384. The Sunshine Boy's 

385. Murder On the Orient Express - 2 

386. Gremlins 

387. For a Few Dollars More 

388. A Fistfull of Dollars 

389. The Little Drummer Girl - 2 

390. MASH 

391. Once Upon a Time in America - 2 

392. Black Sunday - 2 

393. Gorky Park 

394. To be or Not to be 

395. Sayonara I 

396. Sayonara II 

397. Mad Max 

398. The Candidate 

399. They Drive by Night 

400. Port Apache the Bronx 

401. Apache 

402. Clash of the Titans 

403. Billy Jack 

404. Goldfinger 

405. Brannigan 

406. The Jury 

407. Scarface - 2

408. I am a Fugitive From a Chain Gang 

409. Break Out 

410. Gator 

411. In the Heat of the Night 

412. The Maltese Falcon 

413. Angels With Dirty Faces 

414. Lassitter 

415. Serpico - 2 

416. Bullet 

417. A Stranger's Watching 

418. The Domino Principal 

419. Brubaker - 2 

420. A Man with A Golden Gun 

421. The Greatest Show on Earth - 2 

422. The Postman Always Rings Twice 

423. The Prince and the Pauper 

424. Treasure Island 

425. Trapeze 

426. The Shoot Horses Don't They 

427. The Philadelphia Story 

428. Road Warrior 

429. The Black Stallion Returns 

430. Absence of Malace 

431. War Games 

432. Hawaii I 

433. Hawaii II 

434. Shogun 

435. Love at First Bite 

436. Police Academy 2 - Their First Assignment 

437. Blame it on Rio 

438. The Adventures of Robin Hood 

439. Now Voyager 

440. Raging Bull - 2 

441. The Man With the Golden Arm 

442. The Deep 

443. Atlantic City 

444. The Hunchback of Notre Dame 

445. Hooper 

446. The Towering Inferno I 

447. The Towering Inferno II 

448. Wild Geese I 

449. Wild Geese II 

450. Swiss Family Robinson 

451. The Great Scout and Cathouse Thursday 

452. The Bridge on the River Kwai - 2 

453. Show Boat 

454. New York New York - 2 

455. Cabaret 

456. Singing In the Rain 

457. Brigadoon

458. Lady Sings the Blues - 2 

459. The Jazz Singer - 2 

460. Saturday Night Fever 

461. West Side Story - 2 

462. Man of La Mancha I 

463. Man of La Mancha II 

464. Invitation to the Dance 

465. An American In Paris 

466. A Chorus Line, the Movie 

467. Guys and Dolls - 2 

468. The Great Carusso 

469. The King and I I 

470. The King and I II 

471. Mary Poppins - 2 

472. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers 

473. GiGi 

474. Oklahoma 

475. Soylent Green 

476. Close Encounters of the Third Kind - 2 

477. The China Syndrome 

478. Midnight Express 

479. North Dallas Forty 

480. Looking for Mr. Goodbar - 2 

481. Defiance 

482. The Petrified Forest 

483. Fame - 2 

484. Benji 

485. The Graduate 

486. Sunset Boulevard 

487. Carnal Knowledge 

488. Meet Mr. Washington, Meet Mr. Lincoln 

489. Miss Jane Pittman 

490. The Nutcracker - 2 

491. Great Cities 

492. John F. Kennedy 

493. Ice Dancing 

494. Tut: The Boy King of the Louvre 

495. An Evening With the Royal Ballet 

496. Romeo and Juliet - 2 

497. Network 

498. The Seven Year Itch 

499. Starting Over 

500. An Officer and a Gentleman - 2 

501. Bird Man of Alcetraz I 

502. Bird Man of Alcetraz II 

503. The Stone Killer 

504. El Cid - 2 

505. The Formula 

506. Prince of the City - 2 

507. Big Bad Mama

508. The Thomas Crown Affair 

509. Dressed to Kill 

510. The detective 

511. Witness for the Prosecution 

512. Oh God, You Devil 

513. Klute 

514. The Sound of Music I 

515. The Sound of Music II 

516. I Ought to be in Pictures 

517. Dr. Zhivago - 2 

518. Bells are Rings 

519. The Challange 

520. Born Free 

521. The Betsy 

522. Here Comes Mr. Jordan 

523. Major Dundee 

524. Chinatown - 2 

525. Dillinger 

526. Public Enemy 

527. Vera Cruz 

528. Eyes 

529. The Bad News Bear 

530. American Gigolo 

531. Hud 

532. Jesus of Nazareth I 

533. Jesus of Nazareth II 

534. Jesus of Nazareth III 

535. Jesus of Nazareth IV 

536. Holocaust - 4 

537. La Traviata 

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 14:35:45 -0800 




Subject: CED Hardware Museum at CED Magic 


I've started a new section at the CED Magic website that will contain 

information on and pictures of CED players and accessories (remotes, 

etc.). The first section, available now, is on RCA Engineering 

prototypes developed in the 1970's, and soon I will begin working on a 

comparative section for all the production CED players. 

--Tom Howe 

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From: (Williams, Scott) 

CC: ceds@teleport.com 

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 11:52:42 -0600 

Subject: re: no audio 


Dave, 

I have the same unit, and the same problem with audio missing. Right now, my 

unit is on the engineering bench at the television station where I work. If 

they can find the problem, I will report back here! 

-- 

Scott C. Williams 

 

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From: goodo 

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:01:04 -0500 (EST) 

Subject: sjt-200 stero disc player 


 


Subject: sjt-200 stero disc player 


Please advise price with shpg for this unit,if still have, 

or if any of other units are stero. Thank you. 

Jim Farley. 

 

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Subject: ceds & units 


Forgot to give my shpg zip code

efore is (12010), also price on 

each ced.Thank you. 

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From: (Williams, Scott) 

To: potochdj 

CC: ceds@teleport.com 

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:01:14 -0600 

Subject: re: no audio (fwd) 


Dave, 

I'm sad to report the engineers gave a through check-out on my RCA SGT 100 CED 

disk player. The engineer left a note... 

"There is a carrier at 4.5 mhz above visual, but no audio on it. I checked 

around on the board and never did find any audio." 

What, exactly, is the scheme for audio recording on the disk? Anyone care to 

speak technically about it? 

-- 

Scott C. Williams 

 

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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:39:27 -0600 




I'm looking for "TRON" on CED... Let me know if anyone has one that 

they'd like to sell....... 

Other CED Stuff..... 

I liked the orange letterbox at the beginning of Cheech & Chongs "Up In 

Smoke" CED ... I think they should have done the whole movie in the 

orange letterbox.... 

Are parts of a movie ever taken out of a CED to compensate for time??? 

It seems to me that certain parts of "Raiders Of The Lost Ark" are 

missing... On the same note, I hate how they edited "Close Encounters 

Special Edition" on Laser Disc. The whole part about building the 

mountain in the house was taken out..... 

How hard is it to break a needle on a CED player??? I've played some 

pretty awful looking CED movies and I still haven't broken a needle... I'm 

amazed that I havent...... Has anyone had a needle break yet??? What

happens when a needle does break or wear out???? 

More Later.... 

Dave. 

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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:13:44 -0700 

From: "Ajo English Dept." 

Organization: Ajo Unified School District 



Subject: Ed Sandquist 

Dear Sirs: I have the following C.E.D. Discs for sale. 

The titles are as follows: 

The Prince and the Pauper with Errol Flynn 

Godzilla 

Frankenstein 

Muhammad Ali's Greatest Fights 

Strange Invaders 

Saturday Night Live, Volumes 1 and 2 

Strange Behavior 

Heartbreakers 

Duck Soup 

Coma 

Murder by Decree 

To Sir with Love 

Educating Rita 

The Pride and the Passion (2 Discs) 

Citizen Kane 

The Wizard of Oz 

Public Enemy 

Gone With the Wind (2 Discs) 

Texas Chainsaw Massacre 

Avalanche 

Hud 

Sons of Katie Elder 

Hunchback of Notre Dame 

Air Force 

Commando 

White Heat 


The Fugitive with David Janssen (The Final Episode) 

Spartacus (2 Discs) 

Footlight Parade 

Mary Tyler Moore Show, Volume 1 

Friday the 13th, The Final Chapter 

12 Angry Men 

Psycho

Psycho II 

The Silent Partner 

Jaws 2 

Forbidden Planet 

The Mirror Crack'd 

The Candidate 

Night Porter 

Modern Times 

When A Stranger Calls 

Gold Diggers of 1933 

Death Wish 3 

Dark Victory 

The Verdict (2 Discs) 

Olivia 

Star Trek: The Menagerie 

Viva Las Vegas 

Hang'em High 

Marty 

Terror in the Aisles 

The Long Goodbye 

G.I. Blues 

Vice Squad 

Robin And Marion 

Great Figures in History: John F. Kennedy 


The Exorcist 

The Robe (2 Discs) 

War of the Worlds 

I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang 

The Petrified Forest 

Jezebel 

Rebel Without a Cause 

Alice in Wonderland 

The Omen 

Jailhouse Rock 

Fast Times At Ridgemont High 

The Jazz Singer 

Absence of Malice 

One to One with Carole King 

Invasion of the Body Snatchers 

Deadly Blessing 

Reefer Madness 

The Man Who Would Be King (2 Discs) 

My Favorite Year 

The Towering Inferno (2 Discs) 

The Adventures of Robin Hood 

The Terminator 

The Compleat Beatles 

Never Give a Sucker an Even Break 

Hospital Massacre

I Spit on Your Grave 

Airport (2 Discs) 

42nd Street 

Dracula 

That's Entertainment 

Dillinger 

He Knows You're Alone 

Godfather, Part II (2 Discs) 

Charly 

Welcome to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean 

Dressed to Kill 

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance 

Charge of the Light Brigade 

For a Few Dollars More (2 Discs) 

Friday the 13th, Part II 

National Lampoon's European Vacation 

The War Lover 

Little Caesar 

Sheena Easton, Live at the Palace 

The Evil That Men Do 

The Making of Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back 

Jaws 3 

The Mechanic 

American Werewolf in London 

Rocky and Bulwinkle, Volume 1 

Hombre 

King Kong 

The Three Stooges, Volume 2 

Dirty Harry 

Suddenly Last Summer 

Final Exam 

Halloween II 

There are a total of 116 titles. Each single title is $5 plus $2 postage. Each 

double disc is $10 plus $4 postage. Send your orders to: Ed Sandquist 

713 Morondo Ave 

Ajo, Arizona 85321 

Phone: 520 3874204 

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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:02:53 -0800 

From: "Wade A. Lich" 



Subject: Wanted - CED Player 

Does anyone have a "working" CED player for sale or is anyone interested 

in buying my collection of CED disc's. Please send reply's to 

kirkman.herman@ssd.loral.com

Thank You 

Herman 

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 20:38:53 -0500 (EST) 

From: return 

To: Tom Howe 



Tom, 

Have a small question about the skt-400? I'm wondering about the 

reject mode on the 400's. How is the action suppose to properly be 

carried out? Sometimes (depending on what I don't know?) it will come to 

a slow percise slowdown with the platter and disc gradually, and some 

other times it will "more aburtply" come to a more suddenly stop and then 

you can here the friction and sliding of the disc upon the platter itself. 

It will do this more so, when you press the reject button also. Is there 

a point where you should wait to reject or "is there a danger to this 

happening where it could be scarring the disc in the machine??? 

Mark.. 

chemfish@utkux.utcc.utk.edu 

thanx.. 

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:11:17 -0800 



Subject: The Very Last VideoDisc 

A manager who was still working at the pressing plant when it closed on June 27, 

1986 told me the last title released was "Jewel of the Nile". Several of these 

were framed for distribution among the management staff with the legend "This 

Last RCA VideoDisc Produced Is Dedicated To ...... 1986" . This is the only 

1986 title I've seen that isn't listed on any of RCA's impending release 

bulletins, so the decision to press it must have been a last minute thing. It 

doesn't seem to be an extremely rare title, which is odd, because how did people 

become aware of its existence to buy it? Perhaps RCA sent out an announcement to 

their dealer network stating this was the final title available. The ones I've 

seen also have two labels glued directly over each other on the caddy, so RCA 

must have been gathering up all their miscellaneous caddies when this was 

pressed. 

--Tom Howe

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From: jim 


Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 04:54:40 -0500 

Subject: CED' to trade 

Organization: NYC NET 


X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) 

I've got the following CEDs for trade or sale. Not much, but if 

anyone's interested, let me know. 

LOVE AT FIRST BITE 

48 HRS 

THE SPY WHO LOVE ME 

THE PRODUCERS (some water damage on label but plays fine) 

TOM JONES (2 Disks) 

BANANAS 

THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH 

I'm looking for things like: 

ALIEN 

EARTHQUAKE 

KING KONG ('76) 

JAWS 

AIRPORT '75 

SOMEWHERE IN TIME 

THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE 

or other fabulous 70's movies. 

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:24:20 -0800 



Subject: RE: 60 Minute Limit and Shortened Media 

Recent questions were about exceptions to RCA's 60 minutes per side limit and 

whether some media was shortened to get it on a single disc. RCA actually raised 

the 60 minute limit per side to 63 minutes in 1983 after the introduction of the 

J-series players. Some long discs will enter locked groove around 61 minutes on 

the early players designed before this longer play time was instituted. The test

discs have 65 minutes of video per side to test arm travel limit, and the 

longest side I've seen on a released title is Side 2 of "My Dinner with Andre" 

where the movie ends at 55:51 followed by the trailers for "Koyaanisqatsi" and 

several other movies until it finally ends at 62:12. 

Elimination of end credits and time compression were two methods used to get 

movies longer than 120 minutes on a single disc. Examples of time compression 

are "Star Wars" and "The Empire Strikes Back" which were respectively shortened 

by 3 minutes and 5 minutes by speeding up the 1" recording tape during 

mastering. I'm not aware of any discs with cut scenes, but haven't investigated 

whether this is the case with "Raiders of the Lost Ark" or any other titles. 

--Tom Howe 

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To: Tom Howe 

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:36:16 -0500 

Subject: Digest Entry 

Reply-to: zachd 


Hi Tom - 

Here is an entry for the CED Digest when it comes out again: 

------------ 

Fellow CED Collectors - 

I've revamped the CED section of my web site again and have all my 

lists looking nice and current. So please take a look at my wanted 

and for-sale/trade lists! If you don't have WWW access, I'd be happy 

to email the lists to you. 

The direct URL is: 

http://users.HUB.ofthe.NET/~zachd/flea/zach/ced/ced.htm 

I have a longer list of wanted disks on the page but here is the most 

wanted list: 

Clockwork Orange, A (2) {76476031213} 

Blade Runner** {42995138061} 

Pee-wee's Big Adventure** {25757115234} 

Lolita (2) {27616100689} 

Return of the Jedi (2)** {24543147893} 

Rosemary's Baby (2) {76476006211} 

Warriors, The {37757011225} 

Metalstorm: The Destruction of Jared-Syn** {47897400452} 

Yor, the Hunter from the Future {76476030728} 

Breathless {76476019136} (Is this Goddard film or 80's?)

King of Comedy, The {76476021702} 

Hard Day's Night, A* {76476607012} 

I Spit On Your Grave {28485000162} 

TTYL, 

ZD 

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 20:14:43 -0800 (PST) 


To: Tom Howe 



I know that an early practice with both CED and laserdiscs, and even a 

few tapes, was to "time-compress" movies that ran slightly over the 

alloted time, 2 hours in discs' case. This meant the movie was run at a 

slightly faster speed, "Star Wars" runs about 121 minutes so the CED and 

first laserdisc versions were done this way, the letterbox reissue on 

laserdisc is on 2 discs so it won't be time compressed. Empire Strikes 

Back is very obviously time-compressed, you can tell just by the opening 

music! I have heard a few movies were slightly edited to fit on one disc, 

usually brief scenes where nothing really happens, like when they show 

someone getting out of a car or walking into a room. They told me they 

did this with "Saturday Night Fever" but I haven't run my tape along with 

it to see if this is true or not (I also have the laserdisc which has the 

end of the credits shortened!) The most recent letterboxed laserdisc of 

Raiders of the Lost Ark is a single disc, and my old tape is on a T-120 

so I don't think it ever ran over 2 hours. I read somewhere the original 

VHS tape of Superman: The Movie was horribly time-compressed to fit on 

the longest available tape at the time, that must have been something to 

see! I also heard that the first Thorn/EMI VHS tape of The Terminator was 

time-compressed to fit onto a T-105 length tape, I don't know if this is 

true either. Thankfully video companies have seemed to stop this 

deplorable practice, especially since laserdisc started being marketed as 

the "purist" format. I think HBO still does this to fit movies into 

even-amounted time slots however, but they do so much stuff with their 

movies now that there's simply no point in subscribing to them at all. 

Opening credits on a lot of old videos were letterboxed to fit onto the 

screen, and had often interesting borders. Besides the orange on Up in 

Smoke, 3 Days Of The Condor has a funny 70's line design, The Dark 

Crystal has a weird medival pattern, and others have other colored 

borders. Again, thankfully almost every current laserdisc release is 

entirely in letterbox format, I often watch my old CEDs JUST to watch how 

bad the pan and scan is! 

I've never worn out a needle (but fear the day I do), I've tested a few 

that produce a snowy picture however so this is probably what happens. I

have however had 2 stylus cartridges short out on me, once on my 

Sears/Hitachi player which uses the funny long thin cartridges, and once 

on my SGT 250, which uses the more common large cartridges, this was when 

I was watching for the first time a disc I had gotten new in the 

shrinkwrap! Both times, the sound and picture appeared to "freeze" for a 

second (more often experienced on old early-80's laserdiscs, the sound 

effect is also similar to a CD stuck on one part, repeating the same 

fraction of a second over and over.) After this the sound and picture 

dropped out entirely into a series of white horizontal lines on the 

screen. I often hit Pause for a second when strange problems come up and 

that seems to cure it, but these times the player would not do anything 

else after I tried to return to play mode, playing other discs brought 

nothing. 

New question: Does anyone know of any program material that is available 

ONLY on CED? Besides the opening RCA logos, and instore demos, I have a 

few discs that I haven't seen on any other formats. The NFL highlight 

discs are actually each composed of 4 separate films that look like they 

were distributed on 16mm film. I just got the Wimbledon 79/80 disc this 

week, and that also appears to be taken from different 16mm films (I 

haven't watched all of it yet.) I don't think the 1980 Olympics "Miracle 

of Lake Placid" disc is available anywhere else either. One of my 

favorite CEDs, and among the first load I ever picked up, is Family 

Entertainment Playhouse, which is 4 Learning Corporation of America 16mm 

films shown in schools telling "stories with a message". The "Mr. Gimme" 

film is especially hilarious! I have an animated Hansel and Gretel 

full-length movie done with animated figures, made in the 1950's and put 

on disc by RCA, which I have not even seen listed in any video movie 

guides, so this film may be pretty rare too. The MysteryDisc interactive 

discs were originally produced for laserdisc, but "A Week At The Races" 

was made for CED (I like how the old guy on it says the word 

"videodisc"). Although Jane Fonda's Workout started as an RCA Videodiscs 

production, it's still available on VHS, and I have seen Dr. Spock's 

"Caring for your Newborn" on VHS as well. 

One final note, I just saw a DVD player at the Good Guys yesterday, all 

they had was a Panasonic demo disc, there aren't any movies out for it 

yet. The claims of "Superior to laserdisc" are as false as the first RCA 

promo's claim of it having "clear, beautiful pictures." The demo disc 

includes a slow camera pan across the front of the player, with shadows 

on it that have that awful "pixelated" appearance that has plagued every 

other digital video format I've seen. It doesn't look as awful as DSS but 

it is still completely unacceptable and I will never give up my 

laserdiscs for it. I do look forward to DVD's becoming an even bigger 

failure than CED, then I can get a $10 DVD player at a thrift store and 

watch the demo disc at home and laugh at it all the time. 

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CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 9 3/1/97

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From: "Dylan Rolf & Toni Taylor" 

To: 

Subject: Rare CED's 

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:21:43 -0800 


X-Priority: 3 


Does anyone have a guide or anything that would tell of the rarity of 

certain discs? Pressing records or something similiar? What's the rarest 

title released? 

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From: (jim) 


Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 05:02:04 -0500 

Subject: Snowy picture 




Hi there, 

Just wondering if anyone has any advice. I recently bought a new 

stylus and cartridge from a place called FOX, but I still get a 

slightly snowy picture. Is this normal? Shouldn't the picture "rival 

VHS" or is this not true? I was really expecting a dramatic 

improvement in my picture quality when I replaced the worn stylus... I 

had made tapes from some CED's 10 years ago that look better than what 

the machine does now with the new stylus so I know it played better at 

one time. Do I have to adjust something? Is it just the age of my 

machine? Any suggestions would be appreciated. 

Thanks, 

Jim 

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From: RKolba0211 

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:22:05 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: subscribe 

I have about 750 titles and a dozen machines. As with so many others I felt 

these items would become scarce collectibles very rapidly. I failed to 

anticipate the inordinate storage requirements and the wifely wrath that 

could ensue from such an undertaking. In any event, I am ready to add to the 

collection and would like to hear from others with discs or machines to sell.

kolba0211@aol.com 

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:37:55 -0500 (EST) 


To: Tom Howe 



Tom, 

Just sending along a good old fashioned thank you for the RCA 

Selectavision Home site page. It's really doing well. I figured I would 

sent a note of appreciation for it. Its often esay to take something like 

this for granted sometimes. It has been a real help in keeping us 

informed and focused on how to keep a lot of this stuff in some sort of 

context. 

Mark.......... 

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To: Tom Howe 

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:39:51 -0500 



Tom - 

A question for the list: 

Does anyone know why The Outlaw Josey Wales was not produced in CED 

format? 

I'm sure there are many titles that would seem like obvious 

inclusions in the CED catalog that are missing, but that is one I 

thought of recently that I thought it odd not to be included. 

Were some movies rights not given to RCA or CBS or whoever produced 

the disks? 

TTYL, 

ZD 

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From: RedCircus 

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:30:51 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: SFT 100 & some CED's FOR SALE! 

RCA, SFT-100 CED Player (mono) 

Excellent condition. 

$50 (UPS shipping included) 

CED's FOR SALE: 

EASY MONEY 

THE HOWLING 

THE ODD COUPLE 

TARZAN THE APE MAN (Bo Derek) 

USED CARS 

....these discs are $5 each (+ $2 shipping) 

ALSO - 

ADAM & THE ANTS (Live) 

PAUL McCARTNEY & WINGS - Rosckshow 

PLAYBOY Vol. 1 

SNOOPY COME HOME (dual language disc - English/Spanish) 

....these discs are $10 each (+ $2 shipping) 

email to: redcircus@aol.com 

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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 01:11:14 -0800 



Subject: RE: Failure of Turntable to Spin Down Properly 

Hello: 

A recent question concerned "Why does the turntable in my SKT400 spin down at 

variable rates?" This response addresses turntable spin down in general. Since 

the turntable has to go from 450rpm to a complete stop in a few seconds, a 

braking mechanism is employed. In all belt-driven turntables this is a

mechanical friction system, and in all direct drive turntables (except the Sanyo 

VDR3000), braking is achieved by reversal of the drive coil magnetic fields. 

Failure of the turntable to spin down in a timely fashion could be due to a weak 

mechanical friction system, or in the case of reversed coil braking, could be 

due to increased friction in the turntable mechanism. At first though this seems 

contradictory, since increased friction halts motion more rapidly, but remember 

that increased friction also generates more heat, and heat destroys magnetic 

fields. While a disc is being played, the Hall Effect transducers near the 

magnetic ring on the turntable create feedback that forces the mechanism to spin 

the turntable at 450rpm. If there is excessive friction, the magnetic coils draw 

more current to maintain the rate, which in turn produces more heat, requiring 

even more current, etc. At the end of play, this excessive heat causes the spin 

down phase to take longer. 

Here are areas to look at to eliminate excess friction: 

(1) Turntable height-- needs to be high enough so there is no friction with the 

surrounding base. 

(2) Turntable warpage-- Never hit a CED player while the turntable is spinning. 

The turntable is very susceptible to damage from the impact while its spinning. 

The reason I mention this is that I've seen CED players (and computer hard 

drives, for that matter) that won't spin up unless first given a tap. In the 

case of CED players this "stiction" condition is often caused by a turntable 

shaft that was mistakenly greased (see item 4). 

(3) Missing Thrust Plate-- J and K players have a small 1/4" plate under the 

turntable shaft that is often missing. Sometimes a missing plate can be found 

attached to the turntable magnetic ring, since it fell out during a previous 

turntable removal and was drawn to the ring. 

(4) No Lubrication-- The turntable shaft should be lightly lubricated with 

sewing machine oil. Avoid using motor oils (too thick and detergent content), as 

well as 3-In-1 Oil (vegetable oil content). 

Even in the absence of excessive friction, the rate at which the turntable spins 

down varies slightly each time the reject or unload button is pushed. This is 

because coil reversal can be initiated in any one of four states depending upon 

the particular instant the button is pushed. It's preferable to allow the player 

to initiate the reject sequence at the end of play, but in any case, the raised 

outer rim of the disc protects the grooves, and with Hitachi players, the small 

diameter turntable only contacts the raised center section of the disc. 

--Tom Howe 

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 01:51:30 -0500 

From: Ed Ellers 



Subject: An oddball model - SGT101 

I have the instruction manual (only) for an RCA CED player identified as 

the SGT101. As best I can tell it's identical to the SGT100, but page

14 (where the warranty would appear) is entirely blank, even though page 

12 refers to "...page 14 for information regarding warranty coverage.) 

RCA has long been known to make special models for distribution in 

different channels, so I don't know whether this player was intended for 

a particular store chain or for non-retail distribution. 

(The way I got this manual was unusual -- an RCA rep gave several copies 

to a regular dealer, who set them out mistakenly thinking they were 

brochures. The booklet does *not* say "instruction manual" or the like 

on the cover, so that was an easy mistake, but I can't figure out how 

quantities of this booklet ended up being sent out to the sales force.) 

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From: "Geoff Oltmans" 

To: 

Subject: Cleaning discs 

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:01:21 -0600 


X-Priority: 3 


Okay, so like I got this Return of the Jedi on CED (both parts). Part 2 

plays great, however the same cannot be said for the first disc. When I 

took the disc out to inspect it, I noticed FINGERPRINTS on the surface of 

the disc, both sides. Well, so much for that, I thought. 

Well, after noticing messages on here from people cleaning discs, I decided 

to do the same, using liquid hand soap, and using some foam swabs (used for 

cleaning tape heads. Then I decided to take the deal a step further...since 

the discs originally were sprayed with silicone (to reduce wear), I bought 

a can of aerosol silicon spray lubricant (valvoline brand) and sprayed the 

surface of the disc. WHOOPS! It comes out pretty thick. Anyways, I 

wiped the surface of the disc down (with a less than lint free cloth) and 

played the disc. It skipped a lot. Took it back out of the jacket, yep, 

lots of fibers from where I wiped it...plus there was still a lot of 

lubricant on the disc. So, I took the disc to the bathtub and turned the 

cold water on fairly hard, figured I could just spray the fibers off. That 

got rid of some of the contamination. Anyways, subsequent plays show that 

the picture is improving, it skips less than when I started, and the 

silicone spray has no ill effects on the program material. 

I think where I went wrong was using a non lint-free cloth. I think that 

perhaps using a chamois would be a better idea... 

Just thought you guys would like to know about the silicone spray thing. :) 

*Geoff!* 

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From: MELBANEW

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 17:34:56 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: CED Test Equipment 

In a trade I received some items for CED testing that I am not familiar with 

. I have two Stereo/Mono Service Alignment Disc, # 153394. I assume these 

discs are used with other test equipment for setting up your players. I also 

received two small tools in RCA boxes one is a 159251 labeled Tool. The 

other is a 156529 laveled Gauge. If anyone has any information or comments 

on these tools I would appreciate their response. Billy New 

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From: james piper 


Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 02:10:46 -0700 

I just bought a machine (sears brand) and about 50 ceds. I'm really just 

interested in war movies. Here is a list of the movies i could easily get 

rid of: 

SUPER MAN II 

TENTACLES 

OKLAHOMA 

SUNSET BLVD 

SINGIN IN THE RAIN 

TREASURE OF THE FOUR CROWNS 

BRIGADOON 

A FUNNY THING HAPPEN ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM 

JANE FONDA'S WORKOUT 

BEING THERE 

TOOTSIE 

THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH 

WRESTLING IIUSTRATED'S "LORDS OF THE RINGS" (PRO WRESTLING) 

NINOTCHKA 

HEAVEN CAN WAIT 

"THE ORIGINAL CLASSIC VERSION" INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS 

YELLOWBEARD 

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From: bnelson 

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:33:18 -0600 


Subject: ced collection 

MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV 1.0) 

Have a ced collection of over a bout 100 discs and about 4 or 5 players. 

Have limited time these days to do anything with it. If you are in 

Houston and wish to stop by I would be glad to show it to you. 

Otherwise I dont have time to prepare it for mail order type shipments. 

Brian nelson,713-462-3434 

WALLPAPER WORLD 

"The World's Largest Wallpaper Store!" 12922 Hempstead Rd. Houston, TX 77040 

Bus. hrs. Mon.- Sat. 10-6, Sun 2-5 

Tel. 713-462-3434, Fax 713-462-3445 

Brian Nelson, Pres. bnelson@webtv.net 

Alternate e-mail bnelson@onramp.net 

Internet Home Page: http://rampages.onramp.net/~bnelson 

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Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 23:11:06 +0100 

From: Rikard Ljungkvist 

Organization: JoJ 


To: Tom Howe 

Subject: CED frequency question 

Hi! 

I live in Sweden and since we have a different mains voltage and 

frequence, I would like to ask what CED players use the mains frequency 

for internal timing purposes and what players do not. It is very easy to 

fix the voltage incompatibility but the frequency... 

Would be very happy if I could get some answers, and if you do have a 

CED player (without mains frequency dependancy) to sell... please 

contact me! 

Thanks, 

Rikard 

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:34:38 -0600 



My SJT 400 has a tendency to start playing anywhere from 40 to 120 seconds after 

programming for the side has begun. It I try to backtrack to the beginning of 

the disk, it won't go back any farther than it's original starting point (ie it 

will not go back to the real start of the disk). Sometimes if I reload a disk

it will start where it is spposed to, sometimes not. Does anybody know what 

causes this problem and how I can get it fixed? 

Bob Graham 

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Subject: FWD: FS: RCA SelectaVision Videodiscs 

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 02:18:15 GMT 

On 13 Mar 1997 00:49:49 GMT, (RSimon2090) wrote: 

>I have the following selectavision videodiscs available for purchase: 

> 

>Disney Cartoon Parade Vol 1 

>Disney Cartoon Parade Vol 3 

>Walt Disney's Alice in Wonderland 

> 

>MCA Videodisc National Lampoon's Animal House 

>20th Century Fox Video Norma Rae 

>MGM/CBS Video Doctor Zhivago Part 1. 

> 

>If interested please email with offer, simon2090@aol.com. 

> 

>Bob Simon, Chicago Burbs. 

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From: fierbaug 

To: 

Subject: Cartoon Classics Walt Disney Chip 'N' Dale 

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 16:39:58 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 


If anyone could give me a price on what this would be worth I would be very 

grateful. 

Thanks Jeremiah 

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From: JAMES GRANET 

To: "'ceds@teleport.com'" 

Subject: SUBSCRIBE 

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 16:54:06 -0500 


I have a SJT-300,STF-100W andTOSHIBA-550 Have five hundred disc,private 

collection.Forty never played. Need a needle for SJT-300 

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 22:19:42 -0800 



Subject: RE: SGT101 and SJT101 Players 

The SGT101 was a demonstration model distributed to RCA 

dealers, which accounts for the missing warranty info in the 

owner's manual. There may have been some instances of 

these players being sold to customers anyways, since the 

SJT101 has "Demonstation Model" embossed on the facing. 

--Tom Howe 

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From: kstallman 


Subject: Discovision 

X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-9 

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:21:50 EST 

For any of you Discovision collectors out there, I'm looking for one 

particular disc called, "Olivia" it's the 1978 special with guest stars 

Andy Gibb and ABBA. Willing to pay handsomely for it! 

Thanks 

Kaleb Stallman 

4601 Westbury Drive 

Fort Collins, CO 80526 

EMAIL:Kstallman@juno.com 

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:13:57 -0500 

From: Paul Tyler 



Subject: CED's & 400 player 

X-Priority: 3 (Normal) 

Hello, 

I 'm looking for anyone interested in a 400 stereo player with 

about 15 discs? I have Star Wars & The Empire Strikes Back in unopened 

original skrink wrap. Anyone interested please contact me at the email 

address. Thanks

Paul T. 

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From: Spike26740 

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 02:33:32 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: Movies and players for sale or trade 

I have 136 movies, horror to wc fields and in between. Also have 2 players, 

RCA SJT-90, works fine and a SJT 100, won't load, good for parts. If your in 

the Phoenix area I would like to unload the whole lot. Make a offer or trade 

for whatever. E-mail to Spike26740@aol.com 

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:57:41 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: more CED's for sale (rare titles!!) 

Greetings fellow CED collectors! 

Here's a few more VideoDiscs for sale........a lot of rare titles too!! 

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stereo, 2 discs) $15 

2010: The Year We Make Contact $10 

20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA $10 

ADAM & THE ANTS (Live) $10 

AIRPLANE II $5 

ALIEN $10 

AMITYVILLE HORROR $10 

BUCKAROO BONZAI $20 

BATTLESTAR GALACTICA $20 

THE BLACK HOLE $10 

BLADE RUNNER $10 

CITIZEN KANE $5 

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS: Special Edition (2 discs) $10 

THE COMPLEAT BEATLES $10 

THE DEAD ZONE $5 

DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER $5 

DR. NO $5 

DUNE (2 discs) $20 

EASY MONEY $5 

ENEMY MINE $15 

ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK $10 

THE EXORCIST $10 

FANTASTIC VOYAGE $10 

FORBIDDEN PLANET $10 

FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE $5 

THE GAUNTLET $5 

GHOSTBUSTERS $10

GOLD FINGER $5 

INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (79) $10 

HARD DAY'S NIGHT $10 

THE HOWLING $5 

JAWS $10 

JAWS 2 $10 

JAWS 3 $10 

LET IT BE $20 

LOGAN'S RUN $10 

MAGIC $5 

PAUL McCARTNEY & WINGS - Rockshow $10 

MONTY PYTHON & THE HOLY GRAIL $20 

MONTY PYHTON'S LIFE OF BRIAN $20 

MURDER BY DEATH $5 

MICHAEL NESMITH'S ELEPHANT PARTS $20 

THE ODD COUPLE $5 

ONE FLEW OVER THE CUKOO'S NEST (2 discs) $10 

OUTLAND $10 

PEE WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE $20 

PHANTASM $20 

PINK FLOYD AT POMPEI $10 

PLANET OF THE APES $10 

PLAYBOY Vol. 1 $10 

THE POLICE: AROUND THE WORLD $20 

PSYCHO $10 

PSYCHO II $10 

QUADROPHENIA $10 

RUSH: EXIT STAGE LEFT $20 

THE SHINING (2 duscs) $20 

SNOOPY COME HOME (dual language disc - English/Spanish) $5 

SOYLENT GREEN $10 

SPIDERMAN CARTOONS $10 

SQUIRM $10 

STAR TREK - The Menagerie $10 

STAR TREK - Trouble With Tribbles/Tholian Web $10 

STAR TREK - City On The Edge Of Forever/Last Battlefield $10 

STAR TREK - Space Seed/The Changeling $10 

STAR TREK - Amok Time/Journey To Babel 

STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE (2 discs) $10 

STAR TREK II, THE WRATH OF KHAN $10 

STAR WARS $10 

THE STUNTMAN (2 discs) $10 

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK $10 

RETURN OF THE JEDI (2 discs) $10 

THE MAKING OF STAR WARS & ESB $20 

TARZAN THE APE MAN (Bo Derek) $5 

TENTACLES $10 

THE THING (John Carpenter) $10 

TIME BANDITS $10 

THE TIME MACHINE $10

URGH! A MUSIC WAR (2 discs) $20 

USED CARS $5 

WAR OF THE WORLDS $10 

YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE $5 

** shipping costs are $2 per disc. 

ALSO - 

A Sears manual load Stereo player with extra needle in excellent condition. 

$75 (UPS shipping included) 


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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:41:10 -0600 



Subject: CED players 

** High Priority ** 

I am finding a lot of CED players in Missouri..... Most of the ones I've seen 

are the SJT-090 players. If anyone wants a player email me and let me 

know. I have 2 players and have no need of buying any more right now. 

Let me know if you want a SJT-090 player. The players that I've seen 

are selling for around $50.00 at flea markets and thrift stores.... 

Later, 

Dave. 

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From: RKolba0211 

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 17:30:47 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: CED discs wanted 

I'm looking for RCA demo discs, Big Fight discs and Super Bowl discs. Also, 

Wimbledon, World of Wildlife, World Series discs and Star Trek discs (The TV 

show, not the movies) Can anyone help? If so, state condition and price. 

Thanks 

rkolba0211@aol.com 

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 00:19:06 -0800 



Subject: 16th Anniversary of CED Introduction 

Greetings All: 

It was 16 years ago on Sunday, March 22, 1981 that RCA introduced the CED system 

at 5000 dealerships nationwide. Its interesting that this coming Monday is a 

major intro date for DVD, when Warner introduces the first large batch of DVD 

titles. DVD will be advertised at the Academy Awards on Monday. Does anyone know 

if RCA promoted CED during the 1981 Academy Awards (broadcast March 31, 1981)? 

There will be an RCA-brand DVD player which can be seen at this URL: 

http://www.rca-electronics.com/innovations/dvd.asp 

That website also has "The RCA Story", a history of the company and brand name 

from the late 19th century to present. They breeze through the 1980's without 

one mention of CED. 

--Tom Howe 

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From: (Chris White) 

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:57:41 -0600 


Subject: discs 

MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV 1.0) 

I am interested. Please provide titles and how much you are asking. 

Chris White 

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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:14:18 -0500 (EST) 



From: Frank Gregory 

Subject: technical problem 

My SFT100 W seems to be giving me a little problem that I cant quite 

figure out. The picture lately has had some static in it, and quite a few 

skips. So I figure my stylus is worn down. I order a brand new one, and 

though the picture doesnt seem to skip much, there is still quite a bit of 

static on the screen. Is there anything else I should check out? I have a 

ton of things hooked up to the tv, and I am going to try hooking it up 

"clean" to another TV without any other stuff plugged through it, to see if

something else might be interfearing with the picture. 

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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:29:44 -0700 









Frankenstein 

Muhammad Ali's Greatest Fights 

Strange Invaders 

Saturday Night Live, Volumes 1 and 2 


Heartbreakers 

Duck Soup 

Coma 


The Pride and the Passion (2 Discs) 


Public Enemy 

Texas Chainsaw Massacre 

Avalanche 

Hud 

Sons of Katie Elder 


Air Force 

White Heat 


The Fugitive with David Janssen (The Final Episode) 



Mary Tyler Moore Show, Volume 1 


12 Angry Men 

Psycho 

Psycho II 

The Silent Partner 

Jaws 2 


The Mirror Crack'd 

The Candidate 

Night Porter 

Modern Times 

When A Stranger Calls 

Gold Diggers of 1933

Dark Victory 


Olivia 


Hang'em High 

Marty 

Terror in the Aisles 

The Long Goodbye 

G.I. Blues 

Vice Squad 

Robin And Marion 


The Robe (2 Discs) 

War of the Worlds 



Jezebel 


Alice in Wonderland 

Jailhouse Rock 



Absence of Malice 



Deadly Blessing 


The Man Who Would Be King (2 Discs) 


The Towering Inferno (2 Discs) 




Hospital Massacre 

I Spit on Your Grave 


42nd Street 


Dillinger 



Charly 






Friday the 13th, Part II 


The War Lover

Little Caesar 

Sheena Easton, Live at the Palace 

The Evil That Men Do 

Jaws 3 

The Mechanic 


Hombre 

King Kong 

The Three Stooges, Volume 2 

Dirty Harry 


Final Exam 

Halloween II 

I am selling these discs at a special price of 5 single disc titles for $20 

plus $2 shipping for each disc ordered. The double discs are also specially 

priced at $8 plus $4 shipping. Send your orders to: Ed Sandquist 



Phone: 520 3874204 

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From: Member2165 



Subject: Need Repair Help 

Hello, 

Please post the following message for me. 

CED Player not working. The arm that scans the disk is not moving. Does 

anyone know anyplace in the Miami, Florida area that could repair machine? 

Thank you. 

Fred Laird 

Member2165 

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From: Proton958 




Hi Tom: First of all I want to say how much I enjoy getting the CED Digest.

It is one of my favorite things I get in my email. Hey somehow the previous 

issue got deleted, I guess it was vol 2 no 12. Was about a week or 10 days 

ago and was very interesting to me and I need some info from it. Could you 

email me a duplicate of that one, please? Thank you very much. Glenn 

Send to Gfile@aol.com 

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:44:11 -0600 



Subject: Flattening Disks 

I tried to flatten my "Cheech and Chong" CED that was warped with the 

two pieces of plexiglass and sun method and no luck.... I actually ended 

up melting part of the disk. It was worth a try though.... I don't reccomend 

this method of flattening warped disks to anyone... I've tried it. 

Maybe next time I'll try the convection oven method that I heard of..... Till 

then, later.... 

Dave. 

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From: james piper 

Subject: "The Longest Disc" 

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:33:35 -0700 

I am trying to find the CED "The Longest Day", if you have it and are 

willing to sell it for around ten bucks plus postage..., please email me at: 

jpiper@utah-inter.net Thanks 

J.P. 

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Subject: Wobbly platter 

Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 12:37:10 GMT 

So I have this CED player (SJT200) that makes a lot of noise while 

it's playing, and I can look with the top cover off and see the 

platter that the disc sits on is wobbling something fierce. It's like 

it's out of balance, but it *looks* more like it really is wobbling - 

that is, relative to the stylus, the disc is moving up and down very 

quickly as it passes by, as if the shaft of the platter were too small 

for the hole in which it sits. Overall, the discs I have play okay, 

usually with a brief A/V glitch every minute or so, and sometimes the 

noise the player makes evens out, and becomes quiet for a few minutes, 

then will go right back to being real noisy.

What's an easy/best way to fix this? As an aside, what is the spec 

height of the platter (adjustable on my model)? 


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From: TerryTC1 

Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:40:36 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: Subscribe to CED Digest 

Was an early adopter of CED format in 1981 with a Toshiba VP100 and ended up 

with an RCA SJT300 that still works. Also have a Hitachi player that I 

inherited. Would like to suscribe to the CED Digest. 

Thanks 

Terry E. Collins 

TerryTC1@aol.com 

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To: Tom Howe 

Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:58:15 -0500 



Questions and news for the mailing list: 

I've come across a guy who has the leftovers from a rental store that 

carried CED discs. For a list of the discs I have for sale or trade, 

please check my web page at: 

http://users.hub.ofthe.net/~zachd/flea/zach/ced/sale.htm 

I can also send you all have/want/pickup lists via email if you don't 

do WWW. 

He also has quite a few model SJT-90 players. They are a very basic 

RCA model player with the tan tops and square faces and minimal 

features. If anyone is interested in a spare player (or two) let me 

know. I'd like to sell them 1 for $10, or 2 for $16 each 

plus shipping.

Here is a question for the list. I'm also picking up some spare 

parts. They are in the RCA boxes, so they have part numbers on them. 

Does anyone know if these are just for the 90 series players, or if 

they will replace parts on other models as well? 

Here are some of the parts he has. 

154216 - Stylus 

157928 - Circuit 

157862 - Cover 

157563 - Gear 

157550 - Bracket 

155884 - Integrated Circuit 

154243 - Motor 

830022 - REsistors 

157538 - Actuator 

If anyone is interested in those parts, I'll be selling those also. 

He had quite a few styluses/needles! I hope they are compatible with 

other model machines. 

That's all! 

Thanks 

Zachd@hub.ofthe.net 

TTYL, 

ZD 

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http://users.hub.ofthe.net/~zachd/flea1.htm 

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From: PDolph5282 

Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:42:17 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: Suscribe 

I'm a new owner of an RCA Selectavision CED player. I would appreciate 

anything that you could send me. 

Thanks, 

Paris 

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:24:42 -0600 



Subject: Gobbledegook

Gee, not much happening here recently. Did all the CED collectors leave 

with the Hale Bopp or what??? I usually see all kinds of stuff and the last 

two volumes were sort of short. 

I recently bought the "Paul McCartney - Rock Show" CED. I still can't 

believe that this was a movie that was shown in theatres and elsewhere 

in the seventies. Didn't we have anything better to do??? While watching 

this, I realized that we must have had a whole lot more time on our hands 

to do things in those days. I enjoyed rock show but it really seemed to 

drag on and on...... 

Other than that... I really have nothing new to report. The Benji CED is 

still playing without the special silicon lubricant.... Neither of my CED 

players have died yet.... Keep faith in the CED.... 

Later, 

Dave. 

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Subject: Re: new find of parts for sale 

Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 02:35:32 GMT 

Zachd@hub.ofthe.net wrote: 

>Here is a question for the list. I'm also picking up some spare 

>parts. They are in the RCA boxes, so they have part numbers on them. 

>Does anyone know if these are just for the 90 series players, or if 

>they will replace parts on other models as well? 

> 154216 - Stylus 

> 157928 - Circuit 

> 157862 - Cover 

> 157563 - Gear 

> 157550 - Bracket 

> 155884 - Integrated Circuit 

> 154243 - Motor 

> 830022 - REsistors 

> 157538 - Actuator 

Perhaps Tom Howe can shed some light on exactly what "circuit,"

"gear," etc., that we're dealing with here. 


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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:15:29 -0700 (PDT) 


To: Tom Howe 



Here's an interesting story of what I found at the flea market yesterday. 

One of the large indoor spaces had a bunch of CED's stacked on a table, 

plus there was an old Zenith TV with a player actually hooked up to it 

and playing! There was a stereo in the building playing a radio station, 

I wanted to ask them to hook the CED player up to it! 

Out of a ton of discs (lots of good titles) I only found one I didn't 

have already, Monty Python's Life of Brian, but I saw something that 

REALLY would've wrecked my whole day- I saw the Duran Duran music video 

album, a disc that had been on my "Holy Grail" list a long time til I 

finally found one, this was only the second one I'd ever seen. The cover 

had the name and the picture of the group X'd out with a felt pen and 

written in big letters "F--- Duran Duran" and note that the caddy 

actually contained The Who Rocks America. First time I'd ever seen a CED 

defaced in such a way, needless to say if that'd been the first time I'd 

found the Duran Duran disc I would have been EXTREMELY devastated! 

The same place had a big space selling mostly video games, but there was 

a shelf with video tapes on it too. I found 3 Beta tapes that were Zenith 

dealer sales training tapes from 1979, one was titled Video Recorder 

Selling Points and another was Black and White TV Selling Points. I got 

real excited til I noticed the erase-protect holes were covered upsomeone 

had taped over all of them!!!!! I just about died right there; 

anybody have unruined copies of these tapes they could copy for me? 

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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:12:30 -0600 



Subject: CED player #3 / Jane Fonda Workout. 

Well, I ended up getting another player and a CED at a flea market for 

$3.00. Now I have 3 players..... Yipee..... The new player is a SJT - 090 

and the movie is "Jane Fonda's Workout". My wife likes it, I thought it was 

kind of weird. I like the fact that it's dual channel and that you can switch 

between words and music or just music on a stereo player. I might just 

copy the music off of it for myself, it's a catchy tune. 

The SJT - 090 player that I bought works but it's really dusty inside. I plan 

on cleaning it before any massive use. The guy bought it years ago and 

rented movies for it but only had the Jane Fonda CED that came with the

player. It had been sitting in his attic for a long time he said..... I had to 

replace the insert / reject belt. 

Later in the day at the same flea market I found another SJT-090 for sale. 

The guy wanted $30.00 for it. I left it there for another CED collector 

though.... The guy didn't have any movies, he said that he just rented the 

disks a long time ago. The CED must have been a big rental thing at one 

time. 

Well, I'll write more later..... I gotta go.... 

Later, 

Dave. 

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:18:35 -0700 








Coma 


Public Enemy 

Avalanche 

Hud 





12 Angry Men 

Psycho 

Psycho II 

Jaws 2 


The Candidate 

Night Porter 

Dark Victory 



Marty 

G.I. Blues 

Vice Squad 


War of the Worlds



Jezebel 











Dillinger 


Charly 






Little Caesar 

Jaws 3 


Hombre 

King Kong 

Dirty Harry 


Halloween II 

Silent Rage 

Citizen Kane 

Robin and Marion 

Sybil (Part I) 


Dracula (Bela Lugosi) 

Tora, Tora, Tora (Part II) 

Last but not least, I have two R.C.A. Demonstration Discs: 

RCA Video Demonstration Disc (This disc was the first demo disc that 

came out with the first R.C.A. C.E.D. player) $20 

RCA Stereo Demonstration Disc (This was a later disc that had clips of 

R.C.A. C.E.D.'s) $20 

I also have two R.C.A. C.E.D. players for sale as is: 

Sjt 90 $50 

Sjt 200 (Stereo) $50 

I am selling these discs at a special price of 5 single disc titles for $20 

plus $2 shipping for each disc ordered. The double discs are also specially 

priced at $8 plus $4 shipping. Please include $20 shipping for each C.E.D.

player ordered. 

Send your orders to: Ed Sandquist 



Phone: 520 3874204 

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Subject: more CED's for sale 

here's a list of discs left over from my first batch - 




THE BLACK HOLE $10 


EASY MONEY $5 


FORBIDDEN PLANET $10 

GHOSTBUSTERS $10 



MONTY PYTHON'S LIFE OF BRIAN $20 

NEIGHBORS $10 


PHANTASM $20 

PLAYBOY Vol. 1 $10 

PSYCHO $10 

PSYCHO II $10 

THE SHINING (2 discs) $20 




WAR OF THE WORLDS $10 


thanks 

email to: redcircus@aol.com

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From: HOLLAN 




In a message dated 97-04-13 05:53:19 EDT, you write: 

I actually found a Hitachi CED player at the flea market sunday that 

WORKS! Better yet! It's stereo. WhooHoo. 

But, the remote control is missing. Does anybody happen to have an 

extra one lying around they want to get rid of? 

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:40:19 -0600 



Subject: DVD - Not so great 

I recently sampled DVD at a local Best Buy... Talk about pixelated..... This 

thing is more pixelated than DSS on a clear day..... I was not impressed... 

Actually I think they should rerelease the CED in competition with the 

DVD..... They would actually have something to compare it to...... 

When watching a DVD, watch the grey or black in the background of the 

picture and you'll see the pixels changing.... This probably looks really 

nice on a big screen TV..... 

The New Demo disk for the CED could go something like..... "You've seen 

the pixelated pictures of DVD movies.... But now.... Look at the crisp 

clear picture of the RCA CED player......" and so on..... My Laserdisc 

player far surpasses the DVD..... I'll wait until I see DVD players at flea 

markets before I pay $600 for one...... 

Later, 

Dave. 

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 05:18:47 -0700 



Subject: RCA VideoDisc on ABC News Nightline 


The April 21st Nightline was about the impending implementation of digital 

television. During the intro they were doing a history of TV and showed a guy 

holding up one of the early non-caddy-housed discs while commenting on RCA's 

half-billion dollar loss on the technology. This could have been the first 

mention of CED on national TV since 1986. 

--Tom Howe 

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From: (jim) 


Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 06:00:46 -0400 

Subject: Bumpy, skippy pictures 




Hi, 

Does anyone have any suggestions on why so many of my CED's skip and 

jump around? I just replaced the stylus and the disks seem to be in 

good shape. Someone wrote once that I should clean the lubricant off 

the disks. With what? Is that bad for the disk? Did these disks 

always skip, even when they were new? They seem to have an even worse 

life expectancy than a audio LP. Any specific cleaning advice would be 

appreciated! 

Jim 

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 07:08:19 -0700 

From: Ted Dudziak > 

Organization: Home Copy 



Subject: VideoDisc Book 

For those who are interested, there was a book published about the 

VideoDisc project. The title is "RCA and the VideoDisc - The business 

of research" by Margaret B.W. Graham. The book is published by the 

Cambridge University Press. 

The book is an interesting historical perspective of technology 

development as well as the project problems that occured. 

One significant issue was in marketing of a video product. The first 

players were not stereo and you could not record on them. These were 

apparently significant issues with the buying public. On the positive 

side the programming was cheap, $15 to $25 vs $75 to $100. 

Ted 

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:16:39 -0700 


Organization: Ajo Unified School District




C.E.D.'s C.E.D.'s C.E.D.'s C.E.D.'s 

The following selection of C.E.D.'s are for sale at 5 single discs for 

$20 plus $2 shipping for each disc ordered. 

Olivia (Olivia Newton John) 


That's Entertainment (An excellent M.G.M. compilation) 

Duck Soup with the Marx Brothers 

The Mirror Crack'd with Angela Lansbury (Agatha Christie) 

Gold Diggers of 1933 with Dick Powell 

White Heat with James Cagney 

Air Force with John Garfield 

Footlight Parade with James Cagney 

To Sir With Love with Sidney Poitier 

Hang'em High with Clint Eastwood 

Terror in the Aisles (A Compilation of Horror Clips) 

Robin and Marion with Sean Connery 

National Lampoon's European Vacation (The Griswolds go to Europe!!!) 

My Favorite Year with Peter O'Toole 

Jaws III with the old shark at it again 

Carole King: One to One (A real nice concert) 

Dressed to Kill with Michael Caine and directed by DePalma 

Viva Las Vegas with Elvis and Ann Margret 

Dirty Harry with Clint Eastwood and his .44

Hombre with Paul Newman 

An American Werewolf in London (Great special effects.) 

Vice Squad with Wings Hauser as a great villain 

Educating Rita with Michael Caine 

Charge of the Light Brigade with Errol Flynn 

Paths of Glory with Kirk Douglas and directed by Kubrick 

Jaws II with Roy Scheider and the shark 

Psycho II with Anthony Perkins 

Night Porter with Dirk Bogarde 

The Jazz Singer with Al Jolson 

Avalanche with Rock Hudson 

Charly with Cliff Robertson in a great performance in the title role 

Suddenly Last Summer with Katherine Hepburn and Elizabeth Taylor 

Reefer Madness (a 1930's cult classic) 

Jezebel with Bette Davis, George Brent, and Henry Fonda 

The Petrified Forest with Bette Davis, Leslie Howard, Humphrey Bogart 

Dark Victory with Bette Davis, George Brent, Geraldine Fitzgerald 

Psycho with Anthony Perkins and Janet Leigh 

12 Angry Men with Henry Fonda in a fine Sidney Lumet classic 

Halloween II with Jamie Leigh Curtis and Michael Myers 

Adventures of Robin Hood with Errol Flynn, Basil Rathbone, Claude Rains 

Never Give a Sucker an Even Break with W.C. Fields and Gloria Jean 

Marty with Ernest Borgnine playing the great title role 

Silent Rage with Chuck Norris 

Come Back to the Five and Dime with Cher

Dracula with Bela Lugosi 

Coma with Michael Douglas 

Friday the 13th with Betsy Palmer and great special effects 


Double C.E.D.'s Double C.E.D.'s Double C.E.D.'s 

The following double C.E.D.'s are priced at $8 each plus $4 shipping for 

each title ordered. 

The Towering Inferno with Paul Newman, William Holden, Steve McQueen 

The Pride and the Passion with Cary Grant, Frank Sinatra, Sophia Loren 

The Verdict with Paul Newman 

Airport with Dean Martin and Burt Lancaster 

A Few Dollars More with Clint Eastwood 

Godfather, Part II with Al Pacino and Robert DeNiro 

Laser Discs Laser Discs Laser Discs Laser Discs 

The following laser discs are on sale for $12.50 each plus $2 shipping 

for each title ordered. All are in fine condition. 

The Haunting of Sarah Hardy 

Immediate Family with Glenn Close and James Woods 

Moon of the Wolf with David Janssen 

Child's Play 2 with Chucky 

Can She Bake a Cherry Pie with Karen Black 

Child's Play 3 with Chucky again 

Adventures of Mark Twain in Claymotion 

The Red Menace 

Hellraiser with Andy Robinson and great special effects

Hostile Guns with Tab Hunter 

Topaz (1933) with John Barrymore 

A Hero Ain't Nothin But a Sandwich with Paul Winfield 

East of Eden with James Dean as Cal 

Candleshoe with Jodie Foster, David Niven and Helen Hayes 

Railroaded with John Ireland 

Stella Dallas with Barbara Stanwyk 

Grand Hotel with Greta Garbo, John Barrymore, and Wallace Beery 

Johnny Handsome with Mickey Roarke and Morgan Freeman 

Back to the Future with Michael J. Fox 

The Beach Boys: An American Band 

Field of Dreams with Kevin Costner 

Friday the 13th with Betsy Palmer and great special effects 

Revenge with Kevin Costner and Anthony Quinn 

Cocoon with Jessica Tandy 

That Hamilton Woman with Vivian Leigh and Lawrence Olivier 

Panic in the Streets with Richard Widmark 

Pinnochio by Disney 

Holocroft Covenant with Michael Caine 

Waxworks with great special effects 

Doc Hollywood (scope) with Michael J. Fox 

Miller's Crossing with Gabriel Byrne and Albert Finney 

Mr. Destiny with Michael Caine and Jim Belushi 

Please specify C.E.D. or Laser Disc when you order and add the 

appropriate postage. Send your orders to:

387-4204 

Ed Sandquist 



Phone 520 

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:39:54 -0700 

From: John Robertson 

Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. 



Subject: Some CED's for sale/trade/wanted 

Hi, I have a few discs to trade here in hte RCA Selectavision format. I 

need Volume two of: Star Trek - the motion picture, REDS, Sophie's 

Choice, and The Elephant Man. 

I have the following for sale/trade: Elephant Man (I have 2 1/2 of this 

one), Benji, Rainbow Brite in "Perl in the Pits", and The Black 

Stallion. 

Oh, and lastly, I have Playboy CED in a Muppet Movie cover. 

Finally an empty The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea case. 

These are all working, open to offers... 

:-#)# 

-- 

(Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) | John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St. 

VOICE (604)872-5757 FAX 872-2010| Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 

mailto:jrr@flippers.com | http://www.flippers.com 

"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." 

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:17:51 -0600 



Subject: CED Needle...... 

Can CED skipping be needle related??? My most recent CED player was 

seldom used..... The person sold it to me for $3.00 with the Jane Fonda 

disk.... He said that he recieved the player as a gift and hardly ever used 

it and never bought any other disks. Anyway, what I noticed is that my 

disks hardly skip at all on this new CED player. They play beautifully.... 

So, I might end up just buying needles for my other players and see if it 

solves the problem..... 

I wish I would have seen the Nightline where they hold up a CED.... That 

would have been Kool!!! I'm wondering if DVD will be the next CED.....

Everyone (except on person who bought one) that I've talked to so far 

agrees with me on the pixelated picture... Sure DVD's look fine on small 

monitors... But, try blowing them up on a big screen TV.... You start 

seeing great big pixels changing..... CED's and LD's aren't perfect but at 

least you don't get pixels...... Watching a DVD on a big screen is like 

trying to magnify a .gif or .bmp file on a Computer...... 

Well, later........ 

Dave. 

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:15:56 +0000 




Subject: FORWARDED TO CED DIGEST FROM OTT.FORSALE.OTHER 

Subject: CED video disk player for sale (not a lazor disk Player) 

From: ct390@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Robbie Strike) 

Date: 1997/04/30 

Message-Id: 

Newsgroups: ott.forsale.other 

I am trying to sell some of my dust colectors. I Have for sale 

1 CED stereo video disk player. $25 in mint condition. 

30 disks 5 bucks each movie. 

The Muppet Movie 

The Blue Lagoon 

Deth Wish 

Deth Wish 2 

On golden Pond 

Excalibur 2 disks 

Blazing Saddles 

Mommie Dearest 

The Karate Kid, 2 Disks 

1 disk of Conan The Barbarian 

The Secret of NIMH 

Love Story 

Ben Hur 2 Disks 

Disney Cartoon Parade 

Daffy Duck's movie: Fantastic Island 

Escape To Witch Mountain 

Benji 

Slave of The Cannibal God 

The many adventures of Winnie the Pooh 

Disney Cartoon Parade vol 2 

Teachers 

MegaForce

Superman 1 2 disks 



National Lampoon's Vacation 

Beverly Hills Cop 

The Great Muppet Caper 

Of cours you may be asking yourself why would you be interisted in this 

out of date machien whell if you are interisted pleas let me know I 

would 

like to know, But you dont have to tell me if you dont want to. 

And this is not a lazor disk player it is a early 80's analog 

selectavishion 

made by RCA. The disks were made out of the same materieal as video 

tapes not 

cd's. 

-- 

Hooked on phonex dident work for me 

Your friendly naborhood bad speller. 

http://www.angelfire.com/co/robbiestrike/index.html 

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Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 23:10:49 +0300 

From: sobel 




i have approximately 600+ mint condition CED discs plus three 

interactive remote stereo RCA players that I wish to sell as a package. 

i need a fair price since i have to spend a lot to have all this shipped 

from israel. if anyone is interested, you can call me at 00972 50 

391121 any time or fax 00972 7 6375595 (press start key several times so 

my machine switches over to fax) or e-mail me at sobel@isracom.co.il 

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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 21:52:18 -0700 (PDT) 


To: Tom Howe 


Mime-Version: 1.0

Sorry if this is getting a little off the topic of the mailing list, but 

I want to put in a few more comments about DVD. As was mentioned in the 

last mailing, DVD's look worse on bigger screens. The first time I 

commented on the "blockiness" of DVD to a salesperson at "The Good Guys" 

(a store that is anything but) he said "oh, that's because it's on a 

projection TV. They never have a very clear picture." Funny, that's also 

what they told me a couple years ago about DSS (WHY are so many people 

actually buying that thing???) 

I wonder how salespeople sold CED's when they came out. Did they try to 

convince people that they didn't actually see the disc skip, or that it 

was nothing to worry about? It's funny how old video magazines often 

wrote about CED players as a viable product, seems the companies were 

putting cash in their pockets for not saying that they were a joke. Now 

history is repeating itself. 

RCA now not only sells a DVD player, but also has their own DVD demo disc 

for instore play. I haven't gotten to watch it but I wonder if they 

brought back the blonde twins to sing the praises again? ;) 

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From: DWest14582 

Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 17:31:33 -0400 (EDT) 



I STARTED COLLECTING CEDS BACK IN DECEMBER OF1981, I STILL HAVE ALL OF MY 

DISCS THAT I COLLECTED (OVER 60) AND AM DEFINATELY INTERESTED IN ANY INFO. 

PERTAINING TO CEDS. THANKS, DEREK WEST 

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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 04:01:35 -0700 



Subject: Best and Worst Side Breaks on CED's 


How about some discussion on what people feel are the best and worst breaks 

between side 1 and side 2 they have ever encountered on a CED. Here are my 

choices: 

BEST: 

"Raiders of the Lost Ark" 

A visitor to the web site pointed this one out some time ago and I can't think 

of a better one. Side one ends at 58:11 right after Indiana Jones says "That's 

It" 

WORST: 

"2001" (Part 1) 

Side 1 ends at 37:43 as the ship is landing on the moon, almost mid-note in 

Strauss' Blue Danube Waltz. Why couldn't they make it one minute longer to 

complete the scene and finish the song?

--Tom Howe 

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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:14:04 -0500 (CDT) 

From: Geoff Oltmans 

To: Tom Howe 



On Sun, 11 May 1997, Tom Howe wrote: 

> From: Jesse Skeen> 

> Sorry if this is getting a little off the topic of the mailing list, but 

> I want to put in a few more comments about DVD. As was mentioned in the 

> last mailing, DVD's look worse on bigger screens. The first time I 

> commented on the "blockiness" of DVD to a salesperson at "The Good Guys" 

> (a store that is anything but) he said "oh, that's because it's on a 

> projection TV. They never have a very clear picture." Funny, that's also 

> what they told me a couple years ago about DSS (WHY are so many people 

> actually buying that thing???) 

This is something that really scared me about DVD...I heard that they were 

using MPEG for compressing the video early on. After working in AV&C 

(a Tandy Brand store), the artifacting really got to me. Seems my fears 

are confirmed. :) 

> I wonder how salespeople sold CED's when they came out. Did they try to 

> convince people that they didn't actually see the disc skip, or that it 

> was nothing to worry about? It's funny how old video magazines often 

> wrote about CED players as a viable product, seems the companies were 

> putting cash in their pockets for not saying that they were a joke. Now 

> history is repeating itself. 

This is exactly the reason that I like to take magazine comments with a 

BIG grain of salt. Video Game mags are the worst for this candy-coating 

stuff...or just plain writing about things they haven't the slightest 

bit of information on. 

> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 04:01:35 -0700 

> From: Tom Howe 

> To: ceds@teleport.com 

> Subject: Best and Worst Side Breaks on CED's


> 

> How about some discussion on what people feel are the best and worst breaks 

> between side 1 and side 2 they have ever encountered on a CED. Here are my 

> choices: 

> 

> WORST: 

> "2001" (Part 1) 

> Side 1 ends at 37:43 as the ship is landing on the moon, almost mid-note in 

> Strauss' Blue Danube Waltz. Why couldn't they make it one minute longer to 

> complete the scene and finish the song? 

This is I think the worst I've seen for breaks. I wish they had made the 

thing 3 sides instead of four. It would have been a lot more enjoyable. 

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To: Tom Howe 



Another comment about DVD for Video: 

At this point in the game, I really don't see DVD as a viable option. The 

players I've seen are $499 so far, they are NOT recordable. So, the only 

market they can hope to appeal to is the high-performance home user. 

However, the high-performance user is more likely to buy Laserdisc for 

three simple reasons: 

A. Cost is the same as DVD. 

B. More titles available. 

C. Higher Resolution picture. 

Hey, it's off topic (sort of), but I want to see some traffic. :) 

*Geoff!* 

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 03:27:15 -0700 (PDT) 


To: Tom Howe 



Regarding the comment about side breaks, I've noticed on a lot of the 

older movies, both CED and laserdisc, that they ended sides at the end of 

reels in the theatrical prints. Old transfers show the changeover marks; 

most new ones don't anymore. That's why "Rustler's Rhapsody" has a really 

bad side break (someone asks a question at the end of side 1 and the

other guy answers at the beginning of side 2!) but it's still OK to me 

since that's where the reel ended. 

Movies on the Vestron label are really amusing because they always tried 

to cram as much as they could on side 1, sometimes they didn't even stop 

at the end of the reel, just took it as long as they could til the end of 

the side, the time counter often reaches 60 on these before it ends. This 

gives really short sides to short movies; I have The Lenny Bruce 

Performance Film and "The Magic Pony," both of which are under 75 

minutes, so side 2 of these runs under 15 minutes! It's funny to look at 

the surfaces of these discs and see how little space was used. I have 

"Tempest" and "Never Say Never Again" which are 2-disc sets of movies 

that ran just slightly over 2 hours, and side 3 of these is also very 

short. Most discs seem to spread over sides more evenly, but these are 

exceptions! 

BTW, why didn't they make a special "Turn Disc Over" type of message for 

unused sides, like side 4 of a 3-sided movie for example? Considering the 

market CED was intended for it seems it would have been ideal, rather 

than just having an "End" code immediately at the start of the side, I 

bet this caused a lot of people to think their players were broken! 

Laserdiscs always have interesting stuff on their unused sides, the 

funniest is the upside-down turtle, others have generic printed messages 

saying "Program Material is recorded only on the other side of this 

disc." Since my laserdisc player is autoreverse, these sides come up by 

themselves after the end of the movie, and for some strange reason I 

always let them play through before putting the disc away! 

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:50:56 -0600 




Woah.... Finally someone agrees with me on DVD..... I'm not crazy... I still 

don't see how DVD is going to sell..... Yes they're smaller than LD's but 

the picture quality is really grainy.... I went back to Best Buy after 

another writer to this CED page told me that I probably saw a flawed 

disc. Well, I saw another disc and it looked pixelated.... I'm not impressed 

with DVD at all.... I see it going the way of the CED... 

I think when CED's came out the sales pitch had to do with CED being the 

best thing there was at that time. VHS tapes were a lot more expensive 

back then from what I remember and CED's were selling for a lot 

cheaper. You also have to remember that in the early days of the Laser 

disc there were a lot of flawed LD's. I read somewhere that there was a 

90% return rate for the old Discovision LD's.... They simply didn't have 

the technology perfected back then.... 

I'll have to come up with my own Best / Worst disk side endings.... So far 

my favorite is still "Raiders Of The Lost Ark".... I was the one that 

pointed that out a couple of Editions ago..... As for the worst.... I'll have

to do some research.... 

Later, 

Dave. 

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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:57:16 -0600 



Subject: Weird CED's 

Tom brought up the best and worst CED topic.... How about the weirdest 

CED's.... 

The weirdest CED that I have seen so far is "Jane Fondas Workout 

Video". My wife was watching this and said,"What woman in her right 

mind would exercise while wearing a necklace???" She said that any 

woman would take off her necklace because she wouldn't want her 

neck scratched up.... The whole workout video is just plain weird... 

Another weird CED is Paul McCartney's "Rock Show"... I can't believe 

that we actually had time to watch the entire thing.... I get bored after the 

first fifteen minutes..... 

The worst pan and scan is at the beginning of the movie "Benji". At the 

opening credits, you see the whole scene shift to the left to compensate 

for names..... 

More Later, 

Dave. 

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:14:55 -0700 



Subject: Video Magazine Survey 


The May '97 issue has a survey form on the last page titled "Mad As Hell" which 

has a number of items to be checked off that are upsetting to people 

regarding video technology. One category is "Lack of DVD movies", so under the 

"Other" category, where you can write in your complaint, I wrote "Lack of any 

new 

CED movies since 1986". Maybe if enough of us make a similar complaint they'll 

mention it when the results are tabulated and printed in a future issue. 

Besides mailing in this form to their New York office, you may also simply email 

them with your complaint referencing the "Mad as Hell" survey. The address is:

VideoMag@aol.com 

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To: Tom Howe 

I am going to have to sell my ced collection. have about l00 discs. and about 5 

players . We are moving. We are in Houston TX. I am not anxious to pack and mail 

so I need a Houston buyer. you can reach me at 713-467-3191 or email me at 

bnelson@onramp.net. 

brian nelson 

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From: DWest14582 

Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 09:04:13 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: SGT Player and Discs 4 Sale 

I posted an ad in the CED web site and just wanted to follow that up with 

this notice. The player I have is an RCA SGT100 that is still functioning and 

I have 66 discs for sale. I can either sell the player seperate from the 

discs or sell everything as a unit. I'm looking at $20 for the player and 

$330 for all the discs ($5 a disc) plus any shipping charges I would incur. 

Here's a list of of the discs that I have "2 besides the title means I have 

duplicate"....... ALIEN, AMERICAN WEREWOLF/LONDON, ARTHUR(2), THE BIRDS, 

CARRIE, CAT PEOPLE(1982), CHRISTINE, CREEPSHOW, CUJO, DAMIEN OMEN II, DEAD 

ZONE, DRAGONSLAYER, DRESSED TO KILL, ELEPHANT MAN, EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, 

EXORCIST, FINAL CONFLICT, FIRESTARTER, FIRST BLOOD(2), THE FOG, FRIDAY THE 

13TH PARTS 1-4, THE GODFATHER, GODZILLA, GRADUATION DAY, HALLOWEENS II & III, 

THE HOWLING, JAWS, LORDS OF DISCIPLINE, MASK, NIGHTHAWKS, AN OFFICER AND A 

GENTLEMAN (2), THE OMEN, POLTERGEIST, PSYCHO 1 & 2, PUMPING IRON, RAIDERS OF 

THE LOST ARK (2), REAR WINDOW, RED DAWN, RICHARD PRYOR LIVE IN CONCERT, 

RICHARD PRYOR LIVE ON THE SUNSET STRIP, RISKY BUSINESS, ROCKY(2), ROCKY II, 

ROCKYIII(2), SCANNERS, THE SHINING, STAR WARS, STRIPES, SUPERMAN THE MOVIE, 

THE TERMINATOR, TERROR IN THE AISLES, THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 

(AUTOGRAPHED BY GUNNAR HANSEN "LEATHERFACE"), THE THING (1982), VICTORY, 

ZOMBIE. 

All discs have been well taken care of and are in great condition. If 

interested e-mail me at DWest14582@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 06:52:22 -0700 

From: Ted Dudziak 



To: Tom Howe 


This issue has a couple of topics that bring back some memories. 

Regarding the breaks. My recollection is that there was great emphasis 

on getting as much programming on one side as possible, regardless of 

the "wierdness" of the break. We all had players and as you might 

imagine we had a plethora of titles. As a matter of fact, we usually 

got a stack of discs a day from DISC Manufacturing. Anyway, we always 

complained about the breaks to no avail as the Mastering Process was 

very time consuming and expensive. To redo the master was not possible 

as the emphasis was on getting titles available and not necessarily 

making the breaks look good. Also as I recall the Mastering was done 

essentially by engineering and not by a more esthethiclly aware group. 

Again the emphasis was on getting as much on the disc as possible. 

It was a perception at RCA that one of the disadvantages with VideoDisc, 

CED and LD, was that the programming on a side was a disadvantage. Also, 

it was thought that to put as much material on one side, regardless of 

the total time of the programming, was important to maximize the "time 

to flip" for the customer. In my opinion, esthetics should have been 

used first. 

Also, the limited playback time per side was an issue for RCA. The Star 

Wars CED pushed the limit for programming by having more than one hour 

on a side. By the way I recall finding the hanging dice in the 

Millenium Falcon during one of my system evaluations. Everyone thought 

it was pretty cool. Video players did not do freeze frame very well 

back then. The parody "Hardware Wars" showed the dice, highly magnified 

of course, and low and behold there they were in the real movie only for 

one scene. 

It was also interesting about the many comparisons that were made 

between CED and LD especially the technical ones. It was surprising to 

us that LD had "skips" just like CED. It was a preception then that the 

LD should not have had the problem since it was not a mechnaical pickup 

like CED. We also thought that there was more robust signal processing 

on the front end than we had. Not the case. Their skip problems were, 

in our opinion greater than ours. Also their recovery mechanism was very 

poor. Many times the LD would not recover. The CED players have a 

"kicker" circuit so that if there is a skip or a locked groove the 

uProcessor would kick the stylus to a groove that was clear. The DAXI 

code was used to determine the location of the stylus. Recall that 

there are (I hope I get this right) four frames or eight fields per

groove. Each field has a unique DAXI code that is sequential to the 

previous one. If you take a disc out of a jacket and look at the pattern 

, you will see areas that are identical. This is the NTSC vertical 

interval. If you have a very bad disc, try making a clock out of it. 

very cool looking. Rather large though. 

Next was the delamination of the LD's. This was a major problem for 

LD's and there were many recalls of titles. LD's were produces as two 

separate discs and then laminated together. A process that was never 

fully perfected until later. As you might recall the number of LD's was 

greatly reduced after the demise of CED. 

Well sorry for all the ramblings, but you seem like a group that might 

appreciate the info and it is fun recalling a really exciting, 

stimulating and rewarding time in my engineering career. 

Regards to all, 

Ted 

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From: (Bill Vermillion) 


To: ceds@teleport.com (Tom Howe) 

Date: Sun, 18 May 97 10:08:43 EDT 

>CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 20 5/17/97 

>From: Geoff Oltmans 

(re: DVD) 

>This is something that really scared me about DVD...I heard that they were 

>using MPEG for compressing the video early on. After working in AV&C 

>(a Tandy Brand store), the artifacting really got to me. Seems my fears 

>are confirmed. :) 

There is nothing wrong with MPEG per se. It can meet 

broadcast specifications IF you want it too. 

MPEG-I is pretty attrocious at it's best. 

MPEG-2 can be good if you let it. It's the problem of varying 

levels of compression that are chosen that can make it pretty 

bad. 

However since the DVD is being pushed to the consumer market - 

and the LD is held as an 'elitist' format - I wouldn't be 

surprised if the 'bean counter' mentality holds and higher 

compression is used to get more time per disk. 

There have been 6 video disk formats so far in this century.

None has made an impact as much as the current laser disk. We 

will just have to wait and see if it will stick around. 

There are far more technologies looking for a market, than 

markets looking for a technology. That is shown by the raging 

success of DCC and MD :-) :-) ;-) 

I bought a CED player the first week they were out. I had 

waited a year for an LD previously and finally cancelled that. 

When the RCA was released it had more titles in the catalog 

than the LDs did. 

After two weeks it went back. Four out of the first six 

disks had to be returned because of skipping. Exchange after 

exchange - until the dealer and I decided it was time to forget 

all this foolishness. 

The 100 probably never should have left the labs. 

The 400 series was a quite a different animal. IF that had 

been the first machine RCA had released the format may have had 

a chance. Gone was the weave and faint diagonals lines (if 

you knew what to look for) that identified the picture as CED. 

The direct drive instead of belts helped that. 

Until I see something better I'll stick with my LDs (and my 

CED's for nostalgia purposed) and my ED-Beta. Too bad the 

LD's can't match the EDs performance. I think we'll have to 

wait for HDTV for that. 

Bill 

-- 

Bill Vermillion - bill.vermillion@oau.org | bill@bilver.com 

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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 02:38:01 -0400 

From: Ed Ellers 


To: Tom Howe 

Subject: Side breaks 

Jesse Skeen wrote: 

"Regarding the comment about side breaks, I've noticed on a lot of the 

older movies, both CED and laserdisc, that they ended sides at the end 

of reels in the theatrical prints. Old transfers show the changeover 

marks; most new ones don't anymore." 

That's because the older transfers were often made from prints, usually 

made on low-contrast film, that in those days were handled by the lab in

the same way as theatrical prints. This included adding change marks, 

unless the studio advised otherwise, because the networks and local 

stations often used the change marks in the same way that a theater 

projectionist would. It also meant that the print was a third- or 

fourth-generation element, just as a theatrical print. 

Nowadays most theatrical films are transferred from a second-generation 

element, meaning an interpositive, a "lo-con" print or a reversal 

internegative, that was made directly from "The Negative" specifically 

for video transfer use. (I call it "The Negative" because the best 

existing film is referred to that way, even though it may not 

necessarily be the same piece of film that went through the camera. For 

"Snow White," for example, this term refers to the color negative that 

was generated on the Cineon system a few years ago, not the RGB negative 

that was originally shot.) Not only does this greatly reduce generation 

losses, but there is no need for change marks. (Programs and 

commercials shot on film for TV are normally transferred directly from 

the camera negative and then edited on tape. Feature films can 

transferred directly as well, but they usually aren't due to the risks 

involved in taking "The Negative" out of the storage facility for a few 

days for the transfer.) 

Getting back to CED, a guy I know in Hollywood transferred the "rings" 

animation (for RCA's stereo discs) and some other stuff for RCA 

SelectaVision back then, and he told me that they were *very* fussy 

about picture and sound quality. RCA was having its transfers done on 

the Rank Cintel Mark III flying-spot scanner at a time (only a few years 

after the Mark III was first adapted for NTSC) when some studios were 

still doing transfers for home video on older Plumbicon-based film 

camera chain systems. 

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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:08:41 -0700 (PDT) 


To: Tom Howe 



(I know this is starting to get off topic again, but...) 

I participated in Video Magazine's last "Mad as Hell" survey and had a 

few of my answers printed eventually. They quoted me saying "People who 

make fun of my CED videodisc player", my actual comment had to do with 

friends I had saying I was nuts for having one, which is true, but all 

THEY had were MONO VHS machines for watching movies! I'd rather watch my 

stereo CED player than any mono piece of junk; even some movie theaters 

still only have mono sound which is inexcusable! 

They also quoted me, with my name, saying that everyone should "Just say 

'no' to cable", which I thought was pretty cool. 

I will try to flood them with a 'complaint' about "lack of new releases 

on CED", just to see if they mention it if they get enough!

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:43:22 -0400 

From: Michael McGann 


To: Tom Howe 


Tom, 

I have to vent a little about this DVD bashing here. Suffice it to say, 

I'm one of the few people in the world with a CED, Laserdisc and DVD 

players in my home theater setup. 

Let's address the major factual errors: 

A. Pixellation. Yes, some of the demo discs suffered from a touch of it 

because they hadn't figured how to encode the discs properly. And yes, 

some of the titles in current release, particularly the Warner Home 

Video titles, have it in spots because of compression needs. WHV still 

isn't making dual-layer discs, which gets them in trouble if they need 

to go over 133 minutes. Check out any of the dual-layer MGM or New Line 

releases and I doubt you'll see much pixellation if any. Just like 

laserdisc, and CED for that matter, it depends on who makes the disc. 

B: Lines of resolution. Peak 500, real world about 425. Twice that of 

VHS, and more than CED or laserdisc. You can tell the difference on a 

700-line TV. 

C: Companies paying off the press: Yeah, right. We as a group have been 

trashing DVD for 18 months, and generally are as surprised as anyone 

that it actually works, and that people are buying it in surprising 

numbers. If a format sucks, we say it does. That's why MD and DCC 

haven't ever sold. 

Sorry if this seems a little grouchy. I'm fond of my CED, wrote a cute 

story comparing it and DVD last year, and I've begun collecting titles. 

But I'm also not anchored in the past and I can embrace new technology. 

Mike McGann 

Managing Editor 

Dealerscope Consumer Electronics Marketplace (A monthly trade magazine 

for the consumer electronics industry) 

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:15:25 -0600 



Subject: Gobbledegook, DVD, etc........

So, why doesn't RCA just come out with the Digital CED in competition 

with the DVD???? They could even bring back the idea for the unhoused 

disk like the early players.... Discs could play at 33 1/3 rpm and contain 

MPEG2 digital information..... Hey, why not digital vinyl records for that 

matter??? The digital information could be recorded on the vinyl record 

and then played back through a decoder of some sort..... 

Someone could even create the digital 8 track tape.... DAT and DCC 

formats never sold... Why not try the Digital 8 track tape??? You could 

market it in competition with the Minidisk..... 

Just some corny digital ideas..... Isn't digital technology wonderful???? 

Dave. 

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:05:23 -0600 



Subject: A sad story...... 

I used to visit an electronic repair store in Crown Point Indiana known as 

Quickle Electronics... Mr. Quickle was a nice old man that ran the store 

and would repair VCR's, TV's, Stereos and whatever else you brought 

him... He had 8 track stereo systems still in the boxes in mint condition. 

Nobody ever bought them and he just kept them after so many years..... 

He had everything in that store.... Well, anyway, one day I remember that 

he showed me a CED price catalog.... The prices for the movies ranged 

around being $39.95 as compared with VHS movies at the time which 

were $150.00... The CED catalog had the titles of all the movies and the 

ordering price for the movies..... He might have had a couple of players in 

his piles of stuff around the store...... 

Well, I had to go off to college in September of 1992 and ,while I was 

away at college, Mr. Quickle's family decided that Mr. Quickle was to old 

to run his store. His family found it best to put him in a nursing home.... 

They closed his store, put him in a nursing home and Had a big Garbage 

truck come and haul everything in his store away.... (At least that's what 

I was told.....) I haven't seen Mr. Quickle since.... Now, I wish I would 

have invested in some of his mint condition 1970's electronics..... 

Later, 

Dave 

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 05:24:18 -0700 



Subject: Stereo Players Introduced 15 Years Ago


May marks the 15th anniversary of RCA's stereo VideoDisc players. Here is an 

excerpt from the G&M DiscNews Newsletter making the announcement: 

"The big news this month are RCA's two new stereo disc players. Along with the 

new stereo videodiscs, and hooked up to both your TV and a stereo system, the 

experience is almost beyond description. RCA's stereo system also incorporates 

the CBS CX noise reduction system, which increases dynamic range while 

decreasing noise levels. There are 8 stereo discs available now, with perhaps 

20-30 available by year's end. Both of the new players feature video and stereo 

audio output jacks, so connection direct to a video monitor is possible. Also, 

all the function control buttons are now solenoid operated. And a special switch 

lets one play binaural discs, switching between L and R side information. The 

SGT200 is almost identical to the current SFT100, at $349. The new SGT250, 

however, is the pride and joy of the line. It has automatic loading, and 

wireless remote control. It costs just $399." 

G&M was a family-run mail order supplier of CED's for the entire CED production 

era. This is the earliest DiscNews newsletter I've been able to obtain, so if 

anybody else has these, I need all the 1981 and early 1982 editions, as well as 

the March/April 1986 edition. G&M closed a few years after the last CED's were 

released when the founder went into retirement. His son, who was editor of 

DiscNews, is now a well-known author of computer "how to" books. I tried to get 

DiscNews copies from them, but everything was disposed of when the business 

closed. 

--Tom Howe 

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From: StereoBoy 



Subject: Re: CED VS LD Skips 

In a message dated 97-05-25 10:41:24 EDT, Ted Dudziak writes: 

poor. Many times the LD would not recover. >> 

Actually, the skips from early MCA DiscoVision discs were due to the 

combination of player and disc. The Magnavox Magnavision VH-8000 (and 8005) 

players could only track near perfect discs, and thus did not do well with 

the majority of software comming out of MCA's Carson main production and 

Costa Mesa Pilot Plant. The introduction of Pioneer's VP-1000 for Christmas 

1980, pretty much eliminated all skipping except in the case of VERY 

defective discs. Since MCA DiscoVision was pressing discs on what were 

(slightly modified) conventional LP record presses, and were NOT using clean 

room conditions (clean rooms at DiscoVision did not happen until IBM came on 

board), the tracks of the discs would end up out of spec. Even a track that 

is slightly out of spec will cause the disc to LaserLock or skip. Pioneer 

incorporated additional lens movement capability into thier VP-1000 to handle 

the out of spec tracks...this lead to Philips lodging an official complaint 

with MCA charging collusion between Pioneer and DiscoVision and with hiding 

the problems from Philips. 

With the opening of Pioneer's Kofu plant in Japan, and the truly clean room 

conditions, skipping and laser lock were a thing of the past. 

I bought my first LD player X-Mas 81 (a Pioneer LD-1100) and the skipping 

problem, even with DiscoVision titles was MUCH less severe than CED's. I got 

my (SGT-250) CED player Jan 83, and was horrified by the skips. It was so 

bad that I stopped buying CED discs alltogether, and wasn't until the release 

of the SJT-400 that I started buying again. (and while that player was MUCH, 

MUCH better, it still would skip 100% more than LD) Plus, you didn't have to 

worry about skipping increasing with time on a LaserDisc (unless you 

scratched it horribly) as you did with a CED. 

>>Next was the delamination of the LD's. This was a major problem for 

LD's and there were many recalls of titles. LD's were produces as two 

separate discs and then laminated together. A process that was never 

fully perfected until later. As you might recall the number of LD's was 

greatly reduced after the demise of CED.

We can thank RCA for starting the practice of using high quality, lowcon 

negatives for all transfers. DiscoVision was the first to use a Rank Cintel 

Mark III flying-spot scanner, but it was RCA who insisted on negatives 

instead of prints for the best video quality. I remember how stunning the 

Star Wars CED transfer was. It looked better than the LD since RCA routinely 

redid transfers for VideoDisc release. (I have a single-sided, floppy, test 

LaserDisc pressing by MCA DiscoVision from 1975, of High Planes Drifter, and 

it was transfered using a conventional film chain. While the disc plays fine 

on todays players, the transfer shows just how big an advance the Rank truly 

was) 

One last thing...in regards to pricing...I love CED and all, but it bugs me 

when people say CED VideoDiscs were the first low cost titles on home video. 

Not true. MCA DiscoVision's original list prices (1978-79) were $5.95, $9.95 

and $15.95 per title (for boxed, multi-disc sets!)...can't get much cheaper 

than that! 

Cheers! 

Ty Chamberlain 

StereoBoy@aol.com 

Visit the DTS Fan Club http://members.aol.com/dtsfanclub 

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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 20:53:48 +0300 




Subject: ad to sell ceds & players 

I have the following discs to sell, along with three SKT 400 players 

with remotes and owner's manuals. I want to sell everything as a 

package to make shipping worthwhile. All discs were purchased new and 

those noted are still in the original shrink wrap with the original 

price tags attached. I am open to offers for the package. I can be 

reached by e-mail sobel@isracom.co.il or phone 00972 50 391121. Everything 

is in pristine condition and I'm selling because I don't have room 

in my new apartment here for all of this stuff. Now here's the list: 

BAREFOOT CONTESSA DOUBLE 

KNOCK ON ANY DOOR 


CODE OF SILENCE 

MEET ME IN ST. LOUIS NEW 

RED DAWN 

STONE KILLER 

THE DOGS OF WAR 

HE KNOWS YOU'RE ALONE 

BOLERO DOUBLE 

DOMINO PRINCIPLE

FINAL EXAM 

SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT 3 

LADY SINGS THE BLUES DOUBLE 

THINGS ARE TOUGH ALL OVER 

THE GOOD, BAD AND UGLY DOUBLE NEW 

YOUNGS DRS. IN LOVE NEW 

GUYS AND DOLLS DOUBLE NEW 

MONTY PYTHON LIVE AT THE HOLLYWOOD BOWL NEW 

FOREPLAY 

TICKET TO HEAVEN NEW 

DRESSED TO KILL NEW 

SOYLENT GREEN NEW 

THE JAZZ SINGER (JOLSON) NEW 

ELVIS--JAILHOUSE ROCK NEW 

COMPLEAT BEATLES NEW 

GIRL GROUPS NEW 

ROD STEWART LIVE AT L.A. FORUM 

JOE PISCOPO VIDEO 

A SHOT IN THE DARK 

BUDDY BUDDY 

DOG DAY AFTERNOON 

ASHFORD AND SIMPSON 

SOUNDER 

CHEECH AND CHONG'S NICE DREAMS 

ROAD GAMES 

VERA CRUZ 

AGNES OF GOD 

HANG 'EM HIGH 

ROLLING THUNDER 

DELIVERANCE 

BRUBAKER DOUBLE 

HUD 

TOPKAPI 

LITTLE BIG MAN DOUBLE 

CARRIE NEW 

ANY WHICH WAY YOU CAN 

THE NEW CENTURIONS 

THE GREAT SANTINI 

MORE CANDID CANDID CAMERA 

EDDIE AND THE CRUISERS 

EVERY WHICH WAY BUT LOOSE 

TENDER MERCIES 

HAROLD AND MAUDE 

BRAINSTORM 

WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION 

GATOR HELL INTHE PACIFIC 

BOLSHOI BALLET THE NUTCRACKER 

LOLITA DOUBLE NEW 

LOGAN'S RUN 

LA CAGE AUX FOLLES II

SUMMER OF 42 

MY FAVORITE YEAR NEW 

FRIDAY THE 13TH 

GIRL GROUPS (DUPLICATE COPY) 

CANNERY ROW 

SUMMER LOVERS NEW 

TO FORGET VENICE NEW 

THE TIME MACHINE 

THE FINAL TERROR NEW 

COMPLEAT BEATLES (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

7 BRIDES FOR 7 BROTHERS NEW 

THE GETTING OF WISDOM NEW 

WIFEMISTRESS 

LADY SINGS THE BLUES (DUPLICATE COPY) DOUBLE 

GREGORY'S GIRL NEW 

THE SACRED MUSIC OF DUKE ELLINGTON 

THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 

MEL BROOK'S HISTORY OF THE WORLD PT 1 NEW 

JOAN OF ARC NEW 

DIANA ROSS IN CONCERT 

REAL GENIUS 

CHAPLIN--CITY LIGHTS 

CBS FOX VIDEO CED ENTERTAINMENT SAMPLER DISC 

CERTAIN FURY 

THE COLLECTOR 

BELLS ARE RINGING NEW 

BULLWINKLE AND ROCKY CARTOONS VOLUME 2 

THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH DOUBLE 

THE CINCINNATI KID 

VOLUNTEERS 

VICTORY 

ALTERED STATES 

BILLY JACK 

EYEWITNESS 

THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOT 

MAKING OF...RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK 

MAGNUM FORCE 

THE SWAP (DENIRO) 

THE MEAN SEASON 

MIDNIGHT COWBOY 

SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE VOLUME 1 

THE FRONT 

BEING THERE DOUBLE 

LENNY BRUCE PERFORMANCE FILM 

THEY CALL ME MISTER TIBBS! 

GIRL GROUPS (DUPLICATE COPY) 

CHAPLIN--MODERN TIMES 

DOLLARS 

TATTOO 

WINTER KILLS

THE STAR CHAMBER 

BREAKOUT 

THE TERMINATOR 

ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST DOUBLE 

BULLITT 

WEST SIDE STORY DOUBLE 

BODY HEAT 

MANHATTAN 

FIRST BLOOD 

WINTER KILLS (DUPLICATE COPY) 

CABERET NEW 

STAR TREK TV CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER AND LET THAT BE YOUR 

LAST BATTLEFIELD 

WORLD ACCORDING TO GARP DOUBLE NEW 

THE EVIL THAT MEN DO 

HOLOCAUST BOXED SET FOUR DISCS NEW 

OUT OF THE PAST 

THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR 

GOLD DIGGERS OF 1935 

GOLD DIGGERS OF 1933 

STAR TREK II THE WRATH OF KHAN NEW 

LAST TANGO IN PARIS NEW DOUBLE 

"LENNY" 

OUTLAND 

FUN WITH DICK AND JANE 

ELVIS 1968 COMEBACK SPECIAL NEW 

HANKY PANKY 

THE BEST OF JUDY GARLAND 

RUSTLER'S RHAPSODY NEW 

THE SHINING DOUBLE NEW 

DR. ZHIVAGO DOUBLE 

THE ROARING 20'S 

THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN DOUBLE 

BROADWAY DANNY ROSE 

PUBLIC ENEMY 

QUICK DOG TRAINING NEW 

DEATH WISH 3 NEW 

AFRICAN QUEEN NEW 

THE MAKING OF...STAR WARS AND THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK 

THE ENFORCER 

WHITE LINE FEVER 

DAYS OF HEAVEN 

FALLING IN LOVE AGAIN 

MY FAVORITE YEAR (DUPLICATE COPY) 

ON THE TOWN 

CUTTER'S WAY 

IRMA LA DOUCE DOUBLE NEW 

TRUE CONFESSIONS NEW 

THE SOUND OF MUSIC DOUBLE NEW 

WAR LOVER

LAST VALLEY DOUBLE 

VICE SQUAD 

BATTLE OF BRITAIN DOUBLE 

TEACHERS 

RACING WITH THE MOON 

ELTON JOHN VISIONS NEW 

BOYS FROM BRAZIL 

DIRTY DOZEN DOUBLE 

SIMON AND GARFUNKEL CENTRAL PARK 

THE MAN WHO WOULD BE KING DOUBLE 

THE FRENCH CONNECTION 

OUTSIDERS 

PURPLE RAIN-PRINCE 

GODZILLA--THE ORIGINAL NEW 

THE WAR OF THE WORLDS NEW 

NEIGHBORS NEW 

POPEYE CARTOONS VOL.1 NEW 

THE SECRET POLICEMEAN'S OTHER BALL NEW 

BETTE MIDLER DIVINE MADNESS 

DIANA ROSS CONCERT (DUPLICATE COPY) 

CADDYSHACK NEW 

NATIONAL LAMPOON'S VACATION NEW 

WHEN A STRANGER CALLS 

S.O.B. DOUBLE 

TOWERING INFERNO DOUBLE NEW 

MEATBALLS NEW 

BOB AND CAROL AND TED AND ALICE NEW 

START TO FINISH NEW 

APOCALYPSE NOW DOUBLE 

THE CHINA SYNDROME NEW 

THE AMITYVILLE HORROR II--THE POSSESSION NEW 

THE ELEPHANT MAN DOUBLE 

MARX BROTHERS'DUCK SOUP NEW 

THE MAIN EVENT 

MOVING VIOLATIONS 

D.A.R.Y.L. NEW 

MARX BROTHERS'ANIMAL CRACKERS 

HELLO DOLLY DOUBLE 

HIGH ANXIETY-MEL BROOKS 

ROCKY IV 

SATURDAY THE 14TH NEW 

SENIORS 

WITHOUT A TRACE 

BAD BOYS--SEAN PENN 

BREAKER MORANT 

HALLOWEEN3 N32 

PRETTY BABY 

PENGUIN SUMMER AND THE WONDERFUL KANGAROO 

BEST DEFENSE 

STEVIE

HIGH NOON 

CITY HEAT 

THE NATURAL DOUBLE 

TERROR IN THE AISLES 

MR. MOM 

THE INCUBUS NEW 

MY BODYGUARD 

IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES NEW 

SWING SHIFT 

LOSIN'IT NEW 

THE WILD LIFE NEW 

THE APARTMENT NEW 

]EXCALIBUR DOUBLE 

LOSING IT (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

HENRY V NEW DOUBLE 

ROMAN HOLIDAY NEW 

DISNEY CARTOON PARADE VOLUME 3 NEW 

MOVIE MOVIE 

SILVER STREAK NEW 

THEY SHOOT HORSES, DON'T THEY? NEW 

MILDRED PIERCE NEW 

HAMLET NEW DOUBLE 

MOMMIE DEAREST NEW DOUBLE 

RICH AND FAMOUS NEW 

CHRISTINE MCVIE'S THE VIDEO ALBUM NEW 

THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN (DUPLICATE COPY) DOUBLE NEW 

THE FRENCH LIEUTENANT'S WOMAN NEW 

JULES VERNE'S MYSTERIOUS ISLAND 

LA CAGE AUX FOLLES 

GRAPES OF WRATH DOUBLE 

CAPTAIN BLOOD NEW 

42ND STREET NEW 

ELVIS--KING CREOLE NEW 

USED CARS 

INTO THE NIGHT 

DIANA ROSS MAHOGANY 

BEST FRIENDS NEW 

TUFF TURF NEW 

ESCAPE TO ATHENA 

12 ANGRY MEN NEW 

BEATLES LET IT BE 

WEEKEND PASS 

ARSENIC AND OLD LACE 

AGENCY 

TOMMY 

CLOCK AND DAGGER 

EL CID DOUBLE 

ICE CASTLES NEW 

SEPERATE TABLES NEW 

MOSES DOUBLE NEW

THE DRESSER 

THE IN LAWS 

I THE JURY 

SUDDEN IMPACE 

KLUTE 16 CANDLES 

SPIES LIKE US 

A MAN CALLED HORSE DOUBLE NEW 

THE LION IN WINTER DOUBLE NEW 

GRADUATION DAY NEW 

HEAVEN'S GATE DOUBLE NEW 

UNDER FIRE 

THE FINAL CONFLICT 

THE HUSTLER DOUBLE 

HERE COMES MR. JORDAN NEW 

TOM AND JERRRY CARTOONS VOLUME 3 NEW 

BETRAYAL 

ALL OF ME 

AN EYE FOR AN EYE 

TURK 182 

CHARIOTS OF FIRE 

THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM 

JAWS 3 

THE LION IN WINTER (DUPLICATE COPY) DOUBLE NEW 

UTOPIA 

FALLING IN LOVE AGAIN (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

THE WIZARD OF OZ NEW 

RUN SILENT RUN DEEP NEW 

INVITATION TO A GUNFIGHTER NEW 

THE SEA WOLVES DOUBLE 

THE HIGH ROAD TO CHINA 

INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS 

THEY DRIVE BY NIGHT 

QUICK DOG TRAINING (DUPLICATE COPY) 

THE HOSPITAL NEW 

THE EXTERMINATOR NEW 

FINAL ASSIGNMENT NEW 

CBS MAN ON THE MOON 

YES, GIORGIO 

ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES 

ON GOLDEN POND NEW 

F.I.S.T. NEW 

FORT APACHE, THE BRONX 

CONAN THE BARBARIAN NEW DOUBLE 

ELMER GANTRY DOUBLE 

MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER NEW 

AIRPORT DOUBLE NEW 

ELVIS--FLAMING STAR NEW 

MAUSOLEUM 

WHOSE LIFE IS IT ANYWAY? NEW 

ZIEGFIELD FOLLIES

A DOLL'S HOUSE 

CARLIN @ CARNEGIE NEW 

LAURA 

JULIA NEW 

BETWEEN THE LINES 

ENEMY MINE NEW 

EVILSPEAK NEW 

THE OWL AND THE PUSSYCAT NEW 

BLAME IT ON RIO NEW 

THE MAN WITH ONE RED SHOE NEW 

STAR TREK TV--BALANCE OF TERRO AND MIRROR, MIRROR 

THE PRIDE AND THE PASSION DOUBLE 

ALICE'S RESTAURANT NEW 

THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO NEW 

SHOOT THE MOON 

MICHAEL NESMITH'S ELEPHANT PARTS NEW 

HARRY CHAPIN'S FINAL CONCER NEW 

RCA VIDEODISC PREVIEW ALBUM GENE KELLY 1983 

THE INN OF THE SIXTH HAPPINESS NEW DOUBLE 

SINGING IN THE RAIN 

SERGEANT YORK DOUBLE NEW 

THE PIRATE NEW 

YANKEE DOODLE DANDY 

ZERO TO SIXTY 

COMA NEW 

THE QUIET MAN DOUBLE 

ZAPPED NEW 

THE FORMULA NEW 

THE BEST OF JUDY GARLAND (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

TREASURE ISLAND NEW 

AN UNMARRIED WOMAN NEW 

THE GOODBYE GIRL NEW 

CARBON COPY NEW 

ELVIS--VIVA LAS VEGAS NEW 

COMING HOME DOUBLE NEW 

A THOUSAND CLOWNS 

MAN OF LA MANCHA DOUBLE NEW 

HELLHOLE NEW 

CAROLE KING ONE TO ONE NEW 

CHAPLIN--THE GREAT DICTATOR 

JUGGERNAUT 

THE DUTCHESS AND TH EDIRTWATER FOX 

AGATHA CHRISTIE'S THE MIRROR CRACK'D 

THE SUNSHINE BOYS NEW 

WASN'T THAT A TIME NEW 

ABBOTT AND COSTELLO IN AFRICA SCREAMS NEW 

FAME NEW 

TO FORGET VENICE (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

HALLOWEEN 2 

MAX DUGAN RETURNS NEW

AUTHOR!AUTHOR! NEW 

DILLINGER NEW 

CLASS REUNION NATIONAL LAMPOON'S NEW 

FASTBREAK NEW 

SHARKEY'S MAHCINE 

AVALANCHE NEW 

BUDDY HACKETT NEW 

GANDHI DOUBLE 

CANDID CANDID CAMERA 

LADYHAWK NEW 

MISSOURI BREAKS 

THE FUGITIVE TV FINAL EPISODE 

EXODUS DOUBLE NEW 

THE MISFITS NEW 

FAREWELL MY LOVELY 

OBSESSION 

BRONCO BILLY 

AN AMERICAN IN PARIS 

PLAYBOY VOLUME 1 NEW 

STARTING OVER 

THE LOVE BUG 


DR. SEUSS HOW THE GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS NEW 

FINAL ASSIGNMENT NEW 

ISLAND OF DR. MOREAU 

CASABLANCE 

BORN FREE NEW 

PRINCE'S TRUST ROCK GALA NEW 

NORTH BY NORTHWEST DOUBLE NEW 

BITCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID 

THE DEFIANT ONES 

AGATHA CHRISTIE'S EVIL UNDER THE SUN 

CATCH 22 

BORN LOSERS 

DISNEY'S THE BLACK HOLE 

HOPSCOTCH 

BUGS BUNNY ROAD RUNNER MOVIE 

ESCAPE FROM ALCATRAZ 

VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED 

MY FAVORITE YEAR (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

ENDANGERED SPECIES(DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

THE CANDIDATE 

MY LITTLE CHICKADEE--W.C. FIELDS 

NEVER GIVE A SUCKER AN EVEN BREAK-W.C. FIELDS 

TO BE OR NOT TO BE (JACK BENNY) 

TO BE OR NOT TO BE (MEL BROOKS) 

FIRESTARTER 

BOSTON STRANGLER 

PRINCE OF THE CITY DOUBLE 

THE BETSY

ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN DOUBLE 

DIVA 

CHATTERBOX 

SHAFT 

STROKER ACE 

REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE--JAMES DEAN 

MOTHER LODE 

THE LORDS OF DISCIPLINE 

THE STUNT MAN DOUBLE 

JEZEBEL 

SHAMPOO 

STARMAN 

ON THE WATERFRONT 

CAT PEOPLE 

MAKING LOVE 

THE THING (ORIGINAL) NEW 

HOUSE ON SORORITY ROW NEW 

THE MAN WHO LOVED WOMEN 

THE STARS ON 45 

THE ELEPHANT MAN (MARBLE ARCH PRODUCTION) NEW 

BIRDMAN OF ALCATRAZ DOUBLE NEW 

SPIES LIKE US (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

WEIRD SCIENCE 

WASHINGTON AFFAIR NEW 

WOODY WOODPECKER CARTOONS NEW 

ZORRO 

THREE STOOGES VOLUME 2 

SHAMUS 

LONE WOLF MCQUADE 

MASK 



PENNIES FROM HEAVEN 

TIME BANDITS 

THE OSCAR 

SWEPT AWAY 

THOSE MAGNIFICENT MEN IN THEIR FLYING MACHINES DOUBLE (DUAL SOUNDTRAX) 

PROTOCOL NEW 

AMERICAN GIGOLO NEW 

MODERN PROBLEMS NEW 

MILDRED PIERCE 

TURNING POINT NEW 

JUNIOR BONNER 

WRONG IS RIGHT 

THE SAILOR WHO FELL FROM GRACE NEW 

THR WORLD'S GREATEST LOVER 

BREATHLESS 

THE THING (JOHN CARPENTER'S) 

THE CANNONBALL RUN 

DEATH HUNT

THE BIG RED ONE 

TIME RIDER 

WESTWORLD 

THE SURVIVORS 

BLOODY MAMA 

AL PACINO--CRUISING 

ODD COUPLE NEW 

CANNONBALL RUN 2 

GAME OF DEATH 

IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT NEW 

THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING, THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING NEW 

CAT BALLOU NEW 

MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON 

AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN PARIS 

FUZZ NEW 

TEMPEST DOUBLE 

THE AMITYVILLE HORROR NEW 

THE LONGEST YARD NEW 

STAYING ALIVE NEW 

GOOD GUYS WEAR BLACK NEW 

THE CHANGELING 

BOND--THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN NEW 

BEST OF TERRYTOONS CARTOONS NEW 

THE END NEW 

THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER 

SUMMER OF 42 (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

SPARTACUS DOUBLE 

SATURN 3 NEW 

PAPER CHASE NEW 

CAPTAIN BLOOD (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

BOND--YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE DOUBLE NEW 

POSEIDEN ADVENTURE NEW 

FIRST BORN NEW 

THE SOLDIER 

GUNFIGHT AT THE OK CORRAL 

THAT CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON 

STAR TREK TV--AMOK TIME/JOURNEY TO BABEL 

EAST OF EDEN--JAMES DEAN 

PORKY'S II 

THE MOUSE THAT ROARED 

LITTLE CAESAR 

MISSING IN ACTION II 

TRAPEZE 

ALL THE MARBLES 

TRUE CONFESSIONS (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

DARK VICTORY 

MARTY 

FANTASTIC VOYAGE 

SPELLBOUND 

BAFFLED

RIO LOBO NEW 

OKLAHOMA DOUBLE NEW 

PETRIFIED FOREST 

THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH 

FRANCES 

THE HARDER THEY COME NEW 

CHARLY 

BULLWINKLE AND ROCKY CARTOONS VOLUME 1 

KILLER FORCE 

EXCAPE FROM NEW YORK 

THE ENTITY 

THE DEFIANT ONES (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

TOM AND JERRY CARTOONS 

DEATH WISH 2 NEW 

BLOW OUT NEW 

GILDA 

CHRISTINE 

PLAYMATE REVIEW --PLAYBOY 

KELLY'S HEROES DOUBLE 

TAKING OF PELHAM 1,2,3, NEW 

RETURN TO MACON COUNTY 


THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL (DUPLICATE COPY) 

DAMIEN OMEN 2 NEW 

NIGHT OF THE COMET NEW 

PLAYBOY VIDEO VOLUME 4 NEW 



FUTUREWORLD 

GENTLEMEN JIM NEW 

JINXED NEW 

EUROPEAN VACATION NATIONAL LAMPOON'S NEW 

MURPHY'S ROMANCE NEW 

MELODY NEW 

THE WORLD OF HENRY ORIENT NEW 

THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE NEW 

BOND--THUNDERBALL DOUBLE NEW 

THE BIRDS NEW 

THE DETECTIVE 

BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

TREASURE OF THE 4 CROWNS 

HAIR NEW 

ROLLERBALL NEW 

TEDDY PENDERGRASS LIVE IN LONDON 

MONSIGNOR 

MY FAIR LADY DOUBLE NEW 

WHAT'S NEW PUSSYCAT? 

MYSTERY DISC MURDER ANYONE? INTERACTIVE 

MYSTERY DISC MANY ROADS TO MURDER INTERACTIVE 

"Z" NEW

THE GAUNTLET 

BORN LOSERS NEW 

THE AMATEUR 

JOHNNY DANGEROUSLY 

JAMES TAYLOR IN CONCERT 

ELVIS' 1968 COMEBACK SPECIAL (DUPLICATE COPY) 

MAGIC (ANTHONY HOPKINS) 

CINCINNATI KID (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

FORCED VENGEANCE 

LIAR'S MOON 

REDS DOUBLE 

THE BEAST WITHIN NEW 

VISITING HOURS 

TRUE CONFESSIONS (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

MAJOR DUNDEE 

THE SPIRAL STAIRCASE 

PRINCE AND THE PAUPER 

ALL THAT JAZZ 

ALL THE RIGHT MOVES NEW 

BONNIE AND CLYDE NEW 

BOOGEYMAN NEW 

A SMALL TOWN IN TEXAS NEW 

WHITE HEAT 

BUS STOP MARILYN MONROE 

TOM AND JERRY CARTOONS VOLUME II 

ROLLING STONES LET'S SPEND THE NIGHT TOGETHER 

A MATTER OF TIME 

THE SANDS OF IWO JIMA 

BLACK STAR 

NIGHT AT THE OPERA--THE MARX BROTHERS 

THE BIG CHILL NEW 

HOT SHORTS 

SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE VOLUME II 

THE FORMULA (DUPLICATE COPY) 

THE PINK PANTHER STRIKES AGAIN 

THE PRIDE OF THE YANKEES DOUBLE 

DON'T LOOK NOW 

DIAL M FOR MURDER 

STAR TREK TV--THE SPACE SEED AND THE CHANGELING 

WHERE'S POPPA? 

NIGHT SHIFT 

JINXED (DUPLICATE COPY) 

PORKY'S REVENGE NEW 

LASSIE'S RESCUE RANGERS NEW 

A STRANGER IS WATCHING 

THIEF OF HEARTS 

WHITE LIGHTNING 

STRANGERS ON A TRAIN 

THE MECHANIC 

BREAKHEART PASS

BELLS ARE RINGING (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW 

TARZAN, THE APE MAN DOUBLE NEW 

STAR TREK TV--THE TROUBLE WITH TRIBBBLES AND THE THOLONIAN WEB 

NETWORK NEW 

STAR TREK TV--THE MENAGERIE 

STALAG 17 NEW 

A STAR IS BORN--JUDY GARLAND DOUBLE 

FOOTLIGHT PARADE 

POPEYE CARTOONS VOLUME 1 

BODY DOUBLE 

REEFER MADNESS 

THE TRAIL OF THE PINK PANTHER 

THIEF 

REVENGE OF THE PINK PANTHER 

HOW TO MARRY A MILLIONAIRE NEW 

THE LONE RANGER NEW 

CREEPSHOW 

MASK 

BACK ROADS 

DEADLY BLESSING NEW 

NATE AND HAYES NEW 

THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO NEW 

THE ROAD WARRIOR NEW 

Thank you for reading my ad and I hope my collection fulfills your 

needs 

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From: Proton958 


To: ceds@teleport.com, Tdudziak 


Tom, this latest issue was really great! Full of very interesting items 

about the 

good old days of CED collecting! I really enjoy the letters from Ted Dudziak 

and 

would like to think he could contribute a new item to each newsletter. His 

stories 

are always of great interest to us all. Keep up the great work! Glenn 

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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 01:02:23 -0500 (CDT) 



Subject: 1980's video disc collection, CED ( CAPACITANCE ELECRONIC DISC 

SYSTEM.. 


->

nceds57 

Thank you for your e mail request today on my brief memo mentioned in the 

INTERNET CED DIGEST vol 1, no. 21. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED In purchasing my 

ced video disc collection and players please contact me as indicated below. AS 

I INDICATED I am in Houston and am not interested in wrapping and mail this 

collection. 

If you 

you are located in the Houston area you could come by to pick it up I am more 

inclinded to sell it to you. 

Since there were numerous requests I just took the time to type out the main 

title of the discs that I have. The titles will be in CAPS. There will be a few 

typos. You can reach me at: 

Brian Nelson, 

31 Gessner Rd. ( for the next few weeks we will be at this address.I am not 

sure what our new address will be but the e mail, beeper, mobile phone voice 

mail will be the same. ) 

Houston, TX 77024 

tel. 713-467-3191 

email bnelson@onramp. net. 

mobile 281-546-8368 

pager 713-867-3929 

The players I have are as follows. 

RCA SELECTAVISION SsJT300, 

RCA SELECTAVISION SJT100 

MONKY WARDS GEN10301. 

REALISTIC 16-301, 

RCA Selectovision Stereo.SGT. 250 

Some work and some do not. I prefer to sell the whole thing as a unit but if 

there is a particular disc that you canít live without and have money ready to 

go then call and if I still have it we can sell it to you. 

My CED Collection consists of :(Typos not corrected for the most part. ) 

Box 1. 

MEET ME IN ST./ LOUIS, GUNFIGHT AT THE OK CORRAL, STAYING ALIVE, 

RING OF BRIGHT WATER, 42ND STREET, THE BLUE LAGOON, 

10, STARTING OVER, LOVE BUG, 

INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW, 

JANE FONDAS WORK OUT, TRAIL OF THE PINK PANTHER, WHOSE LIFE IS IT ANYWAY, 

THE WAR OF THE WORLDS, ROCKY III, WILLIE NELSON AND FAMILY IN CONCERT, 

OCTOPUSSY PART 1, STAYING ALIVE-2, THE STUNTMAN, 

TOOTSIE, ROMANCING THE STONE, ORDINARY PEOPLE PART 2 OF 2, 

DOCTOR DETROIT, ORDINARY PEOPLE PART 2 OF 2, THE GOODBY GIRL, 

PlAY IT AGAIN SAM, end of box 1. total 28 

Box 2.

SUPERMAN THE MOVE PART 1 OF 2, THE BLUE MAX, STAR COUNTRY MUSIC FAIR, 

CANNERY ROW, OCTOPUS PART 2, THE DEFIANT ONES, 

THRILLER, MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS, ,MARATHON MAN, 

MOVIE MOVIE, MONSIGNOR, NOTHING PERSONAL,. 

ORDINARY PEOPLE PART 1 OF 2, THE PRODUCERS, HERE AND NOW, 

PRETTY BABY, THE STONE KILLER, THRILLER, 

MUPPET MOVIE, GRAPES OF WRATH PART 1, OLD YELLER, 

SUPERMAN II, 48 HOURS, SUPERMAN II, 

RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, BEASTMASTER, HAROLD AND MAUDE. 

end of box 2, 27 discs 

box 3. 

STAR TREK SPACE SEED/ THE CHANGLEING, FRIDAY THE 13TH,IMPROPER CHANNELS, 

CARRIE, BREAKOUT, CARNY, 

BETRAYL, CARNAL KNOWLEDGE, BANANAS, 

STAR 80, RAGING BULL, THE EXORCIST, 

WHOLLY MOSES, AEROBICISE, ON GOLDEN POND, 

PAPER MOON, THE HORSE SOLDIERS, CLASH OF THE TITIANS, 

I OUGHT TO BE IN PICTURES, THE ELEPHANT MAN, EDUCATING RITA, 

ENTER THE DRAGON, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. 

end of box 3 23 discs 

box 4 

TEN COMMANDMENT 2 OF 2, THE ROSE, GREASE, 

XTRO, QUEEN GREATEST FLIX, HOOPER, 

WORLD OF WILD LIFE VOL. 1. ,STILL OF THE NIGHT, RACE FOR YOUR LIFE CHARLIE 

BROWN, 

ORDINARY PEOPLE PART 1 OF 2, URBAN COWBOY, EVENING WITH ROBIN WILLIAMS, 

STAR TREK II, WRATH OF KHAN, NICE DREAMS, 

TEN COMMANDMENT PART 1 OF 2, JANE FONDAS NEW WORKOUT, 

SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT, CHARIOTS OF FIRE, DOCTOR DETROIT, 

SHANE, COUSIN COUSINE, TIME BANDITS, 

LASSISTER, WHITE LIGHTNING, MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON, 

PRIVATE BENJAMIN, STRIPES. 

end of box 4 29 discs 

box 5, 

STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE P. 1 of 2, STRAW DOGS, THE ROSE, 

SEMI TOUGH, THE BIG CHILL, THE FINAL CONFLICT, 

BREATHLESS, DRESSED TO KILL, STAR TREK BALANCE OF TERROR,/MIRROR MIRROR, 

STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE PART 2 OF 2, THE KIDS ARE all right, RAGING BULL, 

STAR TREK, TROUBLE W/ TRIBBLES/THE THOLIAN WEB, SWEPT AWAY, ENDLESS LOVE, 

FRIDAY THE 13TH, ICEMAN, KOTCH, 

THEY SHOOT HORSES DONíT THEY?, URBAN COWBOY PART 1 OF 2 . EYES OF LAURA MARS, 

HARD BODIES, GREAT CITIES, LOVE AT FIRST BITE, 

CITIZEN KANE, HIGH ANXIETY. 

end of box 5 26 discs.

ox 6 

POLICE ACADEMY, THE DOGS OF WAR, CUTTERS WAY, 

THE THING, ROCK, RHYTHM AND BLUES, FASTBREAK, 

UNDER FIRE, NATIONAL LAMPOONS VACATION, CADDYSHACK, 

UNFAITHFULLY YOURS, AIR FORCE, TEN COMMANDMENTS PART 1 OF 2, 

TEN COMMANDMENT PART 2 OF 2, HUCKLEBERRY FINN. OLD YELLER, 

TWILGHT ZONE, STAR WARS, VICTORY AT SEA, 

YENTIL PART 1 OF 2, YENTIL PART 2 OF 2, THE MUPPET MOVIE, 

SWISS FAMILY ROBINSON, ROYAL WEDDING, RUSH EXIT STAGE LEFT, 

THATíS ENTERTAINMENT, FOUL PLAY, THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER. 

end of box 6. 27 discs 

last box 7. 

ANNIE HALL, ALTERED STATES, EVERYTHING YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT SEX, 

BREAKING AWAY, TATTOO, MY BODY GUARD, 

NEIGHBORS, THE SUNSHINE BOYS. STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE PART 1 OF 2 

STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE PART 2 OF 2, 10, THE HOUSE ON SORORITY ROW, 

THE OMEN, TEN COMMANDMENT PART 1 OF 2, TEN COMMANDMENT PART 2 OF 2, 

EXCALIBUR PART 2 OF 2, ELEPHANT MAN, ARSENIC AND OLD LACE. 

end of box 7 18 discs. 

total 178 discs and 5 players. 

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:09:15 -0600 



Subject: DVD or else....... 

Well, it seems that the stores in the area where I live are pretty much 

forcing you to switch from LD to DVD..... Allready stores here in St. 

Louis, MO are having clearance sales of all of their LD material to make 

way for the DVD.... Stores that I shall leave nameless say that they will 

no longer carry LD's when they start recieving DVD's..... So, it's like you 

will buy DVD or else.... You have no choice.... I think it's pretty stupid 

really..... More on this later... 

Dave. 

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From: "Bud Klass" 

To: 

Subject: CED's For Sale!!! 

Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:18:16 -0400 


X-Priority: 3 


I have the following Ced's for sale. There are $3 each for singles and $4 

each for two part discs. Plus shipping! If you want any let me know, i will

only accept money orders, sorry so checks or COD's. Email me with your 

wants. 

20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA 

2001 : A SPACE ODYSSEY (mono) 2 PARTS 

2001 : A SPACE ODYSSEY (stereo) 2 PARTS 

ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD 

AIRPLANE 

AMITYVILLE HORROR, THE 

AMITYVILLE 2 THE POSSESSION 

AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON 

AND JUSTICE FOR ALL 

AN OFFICER AN A GENTLEMAN 2 PARTS 

ARTHUR 

BACK ROADS 

BEST LITTLE WHOREHOUSE IN TEXAS 

BLAZZING SADDLES 

BLUE LAGOON, THE 

BODY DOUBLE 

BOYS FROM BRAZIL, THE 

BOYS IN THE BAND, THE 

BREATHLESS 

BRIGADOON 

BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID 

CABARET 

CADDY SHACK 

CHARIOTS OF FIRE 

CHINA SYNDROME, THE 

CLASH OF THE TITANS 

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND 2 PARTS 

COMA 

COUNT OF MONTE~CRISTO, THE 

CUJO 

DIAL M FOR MURDER 

DOLL'S HOUSE, THE 

DRAGONSLAYER 

DRESSED TO KILL 

DR.NO 

DR. ZHIVAGO 2 PARTS 

EASTER PARADE 

EASY MONEY 

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, THE 

FIDDLER ON THE ROOF 2 PARTS 

FIRST BLOOD 

FLASHDANCE 

FOG, THE 

FORBIDDEN PLANET 

FOUR MUSKETEERS, THE 

FOUR SEASONS, THE 

FRIDAY THE 13TH

FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE 

GANDHI PART 2 ONLY 

GAUNTLET, THE 

GODFATHER, THE 2 PARTS 

GOODBYE GIRL, THE 

GREASE 

GREAT CARUSO, THE 

GREAT ESCAPE, THE 2 PARTS 

GUYS AND DOLLS 2 PARTS 


HELLO DOLLY 2 PARTS 

HOWLING, THE 

HUD 

INCUBUS, THE 

IN PRAISE OF OLDER WOMAN 

JANE FONDA'S WORKOUT CHALLENGE 


JAWS 

JAWS 3 

JEZEBEL 

KELLY'S HEROES 2 PARTS 

KRAMER VS KRAMER 

LA CAGE AUX FOLLIES 

LADY CHATTERLEY'S LOVER 

LITTLE CAESAR (RCA) 

MAD MAX 

MAKING LOVE 

MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN 

MASH 

MEATBALLS 

MUPPET MOVIE,THE 

NATIONAL LAMPOONS ANIMAL HOUSE 

NATIONAL LAMPOONS VACATION 

NETWORK 

NORTH DALLAS FORTY 

OCTOPUSSY PART 2 ONLY 

OLD YELLER 

OLIVIA IN CONCERT 

ON GOLDEN POND 

ORDINARY PEOPLE 2 PARTS 

OWL AND THE PUSSYCAT, THE 

POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE, THE 

PSYCHO 2 

PURPLE RAIN 

RAGING BULL 2 PARTS 

RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK 

REDS 2 PARTS 

RETURN OF THE PINK PANTHER 

RETURN TO BOGGY CREEK 

RICH AND FAMOUS

RICHARD PRYOR LIVE 

RISKY BUSINESS 

ROCKY 

ROCKY 2 

ROCKY 3 

ROMANCING THE STONE 

SANDS OF IWOJIMA 

SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER 

SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON 

SHOOTIST, THE 

SINGING IN THE RAIN 

SPELLBOUND 

STAR IS BORN, A 2 PARTS 

STARTING OVER 

STAR TREK THE MENAGERIE 

STAR WARS 

STAYING ALIVE 

STIR CRAZY 

STREETS OF FIRE 

STRIPES 

STUNTMAN, THE 2 PARTS 

SUDDEN IMPACT 

SUNSET BOULEVARD 

TAKING OF PELHAM ONE TWO THREE, THE 

TEN COMMANDENTS, THE 2 PARTS 

TENTACLES 

TERRYTOONS VOL 1 FEATURING MIGHTY MOUSE 

THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY 2 PARTS 

THING, THE 

TOOTSIE 

TOPKAPI 

TRADING PLACES 

TREASURE ISLAND 

TRON 

TRUE CONFESSIONS 

VERDICT, THE 2 PARTS 

VICTORY 

VICTORY AT SEA 

WARGAMES (RCA) 

WAR OF THE WORLDS, THE 

WAY WE WERE, THE 

YENTL 2 PARTS 

YOUNG DOCTORS IN LOVE 

ZOMBIE, THE 

BudKlass@sprynet.com 

Thanks,Bud

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 08:42:05 -0500 (CDT) 



Subject: aphabetical update 


Last issue I only had time to put the discs I have for sale in non alphabetical 

order. this is hard to find what you want. Here is a better version. 

I F YOU ARE INTERESTED In purchasing my ced video disc collection and players 

please contact me as indicated below. AS I INDICATED I am in Houston If 

you 

you are located in the Houston area you could come by to see what I have. 

Since there were numerous requests I just took the time to type out the main 

title of the discs that I have. THE LIST BELOW IS SORT OF APHABETICAL.You can 

reach me at 

Brian Nelson, 31 Gessner Rd. ( for the next few weeks we will be at the 

following. 

Houston, TX 77024 tel. 713-467-3191 email bnelson@onramp. net. mobile 

281-546-8368beeper 713-867-3929 

The players I have are as follows. 

RCA SELECTAVISION SsJT300,RCA SELECTAVISION SJT100,MONKY WARDS N10301. REALISTIC 

16-301, RCA Selectovision Stereo.SGT. 250 Some work and some do not. I prefer to 

sell the whole thing as a unit but if there is a particular disc that you canít 

live without and have money ready to go then give me a call and if we still have 

it we can do something about it. 

My CED Collection consists of :(Typos not corrected for the most part. ) 

total 178 discs and 5 players. 10, 10, 

42ND48 HOURS, 

, 

STREET, THE BLUE 

AND NOW 

AEROBICISE, 

ALTERED STATES, 

ANNIE HALL, 

AIR FORCE, 

ARSENIC AND OLD LACE. 

BUG, 

BREAKOUT, 

BEASTMASTER, 

BREAKING AWAY, 

BETRAYL,

BANANAS, 

BROWN, 

BREATHLESS, 

CHANGLEING, 

CADDYSHACK, 

CORRAL, 

DRESSED TO KILL, 

COUSIN COUSINE, 

CITIZEN KANE, 

CLASH 

OF THE TITIANS, 

CUTTERS WAY, 

CARRIE, 

CARNY, 

CANNERY ROW, 

CARNAL KNOWLEDGE CHARIOTS OF DOCTOR DETROIT, 

DOCTOR DETROIT, 

ENDLESS LOVE, 

EYES OF LAURA MARS, 

EDUCATING RITA, 

ELEPHANT MAN, 

EVENING WITH ROBIN WILLIAMS, 

EVERYTHING YOU ALWAYS WANTED 

TO KNOW ABOUT SEX, 

EXCALIBUR PART 2 OF 2, 

FIRE ENTER THE DRAGON, 

FRIDAY THE 13TH, 

FRIDAY THE 13TH, 

FASTBREAK, 

FOUL PLAY, 

GREASE, 

GRAPES OF WRATH PART 1, 

GUNFIGHT AT THE OK 

GREAT CITIES, 

HIGH ANXIETY. 

HUCKLEBERRY FINN. 

HAROLD AND MAUDE. 

HARD BODIES, 

HOOPER, 

I OUGHT TO BE IN PICTURES, 

INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, 

IMPROPER CHANNELS, 

ICEMAN, 

JANE FONDAS WORK OUT, 

JANE FONDAS NEW WORKOUT, 

KOTCH, 

LAGOON, 

LOVE AT FIRST BITE, 

LASSISTER, 

MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS,

MARATHON MAN, 

MOVIE MOVIE, 

MONSIGNOR, 

MUPPET MOVIE, 

MEET ME IN ST./ LOUIS, 

MY BODY GUARD, 

MIRROR MIRROR 

MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON, 

NATIONAL LAMPOONS VACATION, 

NOTHING PERSONAL NICE DREAMS, 

NEIGHBORS, 

OCTOPUSSY PART 1, 

ON GOLDEN POND, 

ORDINARY PEOPLE PART 1 OF 2, 

OLD YELLER, 

PRIVATE BENJAMIN, 

POLICE ACADEMY, 

, 


OCTOPUS PART 2, 

OLD YELLER, 



PRETTY BABY, 

PlAY IT AGAIN SAM, 

PART 1 OF 2 

PICTURE PART 2 OF 2, 

PAPER MOON, 

QUEEN GREATEST FLIX, 

RAGING BULL, 

ROCKY III, 

RAGING BULL, 

ROYAL WEDDING, 

RUSH EXIT STAGE LEFT, 

ROMANCING THE STONE, 

ROCK, 

RING OF BRIGHT WATER, 

RHYTHM AND BLUES, 

RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. 

RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, 

RACE FOR YOUR LIFE CHARLIE 

STAR TREK II, 

STILL OF THE NIGHT, 

SUPERMAN II, 

SUPERMAN II, 

STRIPES. 

STAYING ALIVE, 

STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE P. 1 of 2, 

STRAW DOGS, 

SWISS FAMILY ROBINSON,

STARTING OVER, LOVE 

STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE STAR TREK BALANCE OF 

SOLDIERS, 

SUPERMAN THE MOVE PART 1 OF 2, 

SWEPT AWAY, SEMI TOUGH, 

SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT, 

SHANE, 

STAR 80, 

STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE STAR WARSTHE TIME BANDITS, 

STONE KILLER, 

STAYING ALIVE-2, 

STAR COUNTRY MUSIC FAIR, 

STAR TREK SPACE SEED/ THE STAR TREK THE MOTION STAR TREK 

THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW, 

TRAIL OF THE PINK PANTHER, 

THE GOODBY GIRL, 

THE ROSE, 

THRILLER, THRILLER, 

THE WAR OF THE WORLDS, 

THEY SHOOT HORSES DONíT THEY?, 

TOOTSIE, 

THE BIG CHILL, 

THE FINAL CONFLICT, THE HORSE 

THE PRODUCERS, HERE 

THE BLUE MAX, 

THE THING, 

THE DEFIANT ONES, 

TEN COMMANDMENT PART 1 OF 2, 

THE EXORCIST, 

THATíS ENTERTAINMENT, 

THE ELEPHANT MAN, 

THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER. 

THE SUNSHINE BOYS. 

TROUBLE W/ WEB, 

THE KIDS ARE all right, 

TERROR,/ TRIBBLES/THE THOLIAN THE ROSE, 

TEN COMMANDMENTS PART 1 OF 2, 

TWILGHT ZONE, 


THE HOUSE ON SORORITY ROW, 

THE OMEN, 


THE MUPPET MOVIE, 


THE STUNTMAN, TATTOO, 

THE DOGS OF WAR, 

TEN COMMANDMENT 2 OF 2, 

UNFAITHFULLY YOURS, 

UNDER FIRE, 

URBAN COWBOY,

URBAN COWBOY PART 1 OF 2 . 

VICTORY AT SEA, 

WHOSE LIFE IS IT ANYWAY, 

WILLIE NELSON AND FAMILY IN CONCERT, 

WORLD OF WILD LIFE VOL. 1. , 

WRATH OF KHAN, 

WHITE LIGHTNING, 

WHOLLY MOSES, 

XTRO, 

YENTIL PART 1 OF 2, 

YENTIL PART 2 OF 2, 

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Subject: CED"S FS 

From: Peter Goldberg 

To: 


Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:27:40 -0400 

To Bud 

Here are the CED I am intrested in 

AMITYVILLE HORROR, THE 

AMITYVILLE 2 THE POSSESSION 

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, THE 

STAR WARS 


INCUBUS, THE 

Do you want cash only or would you accept a trade of some kind. I 

rented laser disks and copied many WS movies onto Maxell VHS HIFI tapes. 

I have a SuberBeta and am recopying the movies. If you are intresed in 

trading CED's for the tapes let me know. 

Are the lables all in good condition? Do the disks play well? 

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 10:01:34 -0700 




To: Tom Howe 


I think it is interesting to recall the development decisions for a 

product. The F and G line players, as I recall, did not have the kicker 

circuit in it. The J and K line players (H was skipped, sorry about 

that) had the kicker circuit and recovered very nicely although there 

are times when it was still tough to recover. 

The kicker circuit was responsible for correcting a skip again based

upon the DAXI code in the vertical interval. The LaserVision unit of 

course was optical and sensitive to depth of field issues while the CED 

being a mechanical process was seneitive to particulates, etc. The 

caddy was responsible for protecting the disc during handling as well as 

loading of the disc. 

The production process used for the discs was identical to that used for 

the old 33 audio discs. Basically, a "puck" was formed by the loaded 

plastic and placed into the press. Under a lot of heat and pressure the 

puck was formed into the disc, the flash cut off the edges and the disc 

placed upon the spindle. This was all done automatically without humans 

touching the disc. The stack of discs (all the same title) were then 

sent to a holding area where a sample was taken and played upon a 

realtime tester. I designed all the circuits for the data acquisition 

portion of the tester. 

The area that was used for pressing the discs was not at a clean room 

level. As I recall it was either class 10,000 or 1,000 environment. 

Not much cleaner than a typical home. Handling was the biggest issue 

with CED as well as setting the press operating parameters. Low 

production costs were a big issue and a modification of the vinyl 

process used at RCA records on 30th Street should have been effective in 

the long run. 

The J line players were refered to as the "features player". These 

units had many operational features. Most of you are probably aware. 

At the same time that development was underway on this product, RCA and 

Hitachi were developing a digital control bus for controlling TV's, 

stereos, videodisc, AM/FM receivers, etc. The negotiations for the 

standards were going slower than we in player engineering and engineers 

at the labs wanted so I suggested an alternative. I believe it was 

included in the release. The standard was called MAV which stood for 

Multiple Audio Video. 

At the same time that videodic was in development, the IBM-PC was 

introduced and the Apple II was going full guns. We decided to 

implement an RS-232 interface on the MAV port. Basically, the videodisc 

player "woke up" in the MAV mode. However, if the device connected to 

the videodisc asserted a "break" or an extended space on the line, then 

the unit would switch to the RS-232 mode. The commands were ASCII 

equivalents for FF, REV, etc. One should be able to communicate with 

the port using a PC and the terminal program in Windows or Procomm or 

some other communications program. The command sent by the PC will 

cause a response by the player. I left RCA before J line was released 

or I might have the command set. The commands were one or two letters 

and were the obvious combinations for the function that you want. FF for 

fast forward, etc. Give it a try but the interface needs to be 0 to 5v 

unless the boys put the clamp diode in the input circuit. 

Again these "memories" are my best recollections. Lots of good stuff in

the players. The engineers used the development to have some fun. 

Again, it was a great project. 

Ted 

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:55:08 -0400 (EDT) 

From: Larry Scott Ii 


Subject: Info on older Pioneer LD player? 


Hey all.. with the recent discussion of older LD players, I was wondering 

if someone could provide a bit of general information on the Pioneer 

LD-V2000 model LD player. I acquired one several years ago very cheap, 

and so far it has worked flawlessly (well, almost.. more on that later) 

.. I was wondering when it was manufactured (I guess early to mid 80's?) 

and if there was anything I should look out for to keep it in good repair. 

The only problem with it I've seen so far is that it will not play Dolby 

AC-3 discs properly.. the picture is fine, but when I tried Mortal Kombat 

in it, it apparently was playing *all* the encoded audio at once.. the 

normal soundtrack, and the "director's commentary" all blended together.. 

No biggie though.. MK wasn't a very good movie anyway :) 

Thanks.. 

Larry 

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 13:01:25 -0700 



Subject: CED's in Canada 


The web page for "Second Hand Sisters" indicates the store has 600 CED movies 

for sale. A title listing is not provided, but here's their contact information: 

http://www.kadis.com/ret2/shsisters.html 

79 Manitoba St. 

Bracebridge, Ontario P1L 1S3 

(705) 645-7258 

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From: (Gary Perry) 

To: "'ceds@teleport.com'" 

Subject: RE: Videodisc 

Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 06:50:10 -0500 

MIME-Version: 1.0

Have the Following Disc for sale and several extra players .Please post .Email 

address perrygar@datastar.net Thanks 

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From: Gary Perry 

Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 10:03 AM 

Subject: Videodisc 

1. All the Marbles 2. Against All Odds 3. Angelo, My Love(2)4. ALL The 

Presidents Men (2) 5. Aerobicise ,The Beautiful Workout 6. Airplane 7. 

All That Jazz 8 American Alcoholic 9. Apocalypse Now Part 1 (3) 10 Apocalypse 

Part 2 (3) 10. Any Which Way You Can 11. Annie Part1 12 Annie Part 2 

13.Amityville 2 The Possesion 14. Blue Thunder 15. Battle of Britian Part 1 

16.Blade Runner 17. Baseball Hall Of Fame 18. The Beach Girls 19. Billy Jack 20 

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid(2) 21. The Black Hole (3) 22. Blue Lagoon 

(2) 23. Black Stallion 24. The Boat Part 1 25 The Boat Part2 26. Big Blue 

Marblee Presents etc 27. Chinatown Part 1 28 Chinatown Part 2 29 Cleopatra Part 

1 30. Cleopatra Part 2 31. Close Encounters ... Part 1 (3) 32 Close Encounters 

part 2 (3) 33. Charlie Brown Festival (2) 34. Catch 22 35. Caddyshack 36. Count 

of Monte-Cristo (2) 37. Chariots of Fire 38 Charlotte's Web 39 Carrie 40 Carnal 

Kownledge 41 Duke Ellington ,the Sacred music of 42 Doctor Zhivago Part 1 43. 

Dr Zhivago Part 2 44. Diner 45 Dark Victory (bette Davis) 46.Death Wish47 Dumbo 

(2) 48 Dragonslayer 49 Escape from Alcatraz (3) 50 The Exterminator 51 Empire 

ZStrikes Back (2) 52.Excalibur Part 1 53 The Excalibur Part 2 54 Exodus Part 1 

55 Exodus Part 2 56. Escape >from N.Y. 57. Earth,wind and Fire in Concert 58.The 

Front 59 Friday the 13th 60. Firefox 61. Fiddler on the Roof Part 1 (1) 62 

Fiddler on the Roof Part 2 (2) 63. Felini's Amarcord 64. Fame Part 2 Forbidden 

Planet (2) 65. 42nd Street 66. Fraggile Songs Vol 1 67 Flash Gordon 68. Family 

Entertainment Playhouse Vol 2 69 Fistfull of Dollars 70Godfather Part 1 (2) 71 

Godfather 2 Part 1 72 The Godfather Part 2 73. Gas Pump GIrls 74. The Great 

Muppet Caper (2) 75 The Gradute 76 Gigi 77The Hostipal 78.Go tell the Spartons 

79 Harold and Maude 80 The Hobbit (2) 81 Hawaii Part 1 82 Hawaii Part 2 

83.Heaven Can Wait 84. Heidi (1968) 85 The IN Laws 86 Jaws (2) 87 Jerminah 

Johnson 88,.Jason and the Argonauts 89. Joan of Arc 90.Kramer vs. Kramer 91. 

Kippenborg 92. Kidnapped 93. Mandingo (2) 94. Mash (3) 95. Moonraker Part 1 96. 

Moonraker Part (2) 97. Man who fell to Earht Part 1 98 Paul McCartney and Wings 

Rockshow 99. Melody 100. Jules Verne Mysteries Island 101. Midnight Express 102. 

The Night Porter 103 THe Norseman 104 9 to 5 105. Ordinary People Part1 (2) 106 

Ordinary People Part 2 (2) 107 On Her Majesty's Secret Service Part 2 108 Prince 

and the Pauper 109. Patton Part 1 110 Places in the Heart 111Porky's (2)112. 

Miss Jane Pittman 113Prince of the City Part 1 114 Prince of the City Part 2 115 

A Purple Taxi 116 Private Benjamin 117 Paths of Glory 118. Pennies from Heaven 

119. Richard Pryor Some Kind of Hero 120 Pirates of Penzance 121. The Pirate 

Movie 122. The Private Eyes 123. Pippin 124 Psycho II 125. Quest for Fire 

126.Reds Part 1 127. Reds Part 2 128. Raddedy ANN and ANDY 129Raiders of the 

LOst Ark (3) 130. Road Games 131.Race for your Life Charlie Brown (2) 132. Ragy 

Bulls Part 1 133. Raging Bull Part2 134. Risky Business 135. Robin Hood (E F) 

136 Ragtime Part 1 137 Ragtime Part 2 138. Return of the King 139. Rodan 140. 

Stir Crazy 141. Saturday Night Fever 142. Stripes 143. Scrooge (1970) 144. Star

Wars 145. Splash 146. Superman Part 1 147. Superman Part 2 148. Savannah Smiles 

149 The Shaggy Dog 150. A Star is Born Part 1 151, A Star is Born Part 2 152. 

Silly Symphoines 153 Farrie Tale .. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 154. Stalag 

17 155. Seems Like Old Times 156. Secret Nimh 157. Sharky's Machine 158. Summer 

LOvers (2) 159.The Sunshine Boys 160. The Shining Part 1 (2) 161. The Shining 

Part 2 (2) 162.Sophis's Choice Part 1 163.The Street Fighter 164. Trading Places 

(2) 165. Time Bandits 166. 20,000 Leagues under the Sea 167. The Ten 

Commandments Part 1 168 The Ten Commandments Part 2 169 The Towering 

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:38:13 -0500 



From: John Greve 

Subject: Help needed locating belt. 

Hi all, 

I recently found my first CED player,a Sears Model # 934.54780150. The 

nameplate says this machine was built in June 1981.When attempting to play 

this machine for the first 

time,it worked for about two minutes before things bound up inside and 

stopped working. 

Upon disassembly I found the toothed belt that drives the stylus carriage 

for the most 

part was disintegrated.All that was left were the strings that were imbedded 

within the 

belt.There was enough belt material left to determine that there were 

approx. 12 teeth 

per inch,the belt appeared to be 1/8" wide.In measureing the circumference 

of the strings it came to about 15".So I guess that is what I`m looking 

for.I tried Sears and 

got the expected response that part are no longer available for this 

unit.Tried a few 

electronic repair shops and they suggested Radio Shack.Radio Shack does have 

a computer 

listing of some units and the Tandy replacement p/n.In this case no luck. 

So can anybody steer me to a parts source,sell me a belt or help in any 

way? The machine is in absolutly perfect condition.Even has the boxed remote 

and owners manual. 

I`d sure hate to see the machine rendered useless for something as simple as 

belt. 

Thanks for reading, 

John 

johngr@execpc.com 

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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:11:33 -0500


Subject: RE:Letter to Video Magazine 

Hi Tom, 

The June issue of Video Magazine featrued an articel on Widescreen Video that 

didn't mention the pioneering work done by RCA CEDs in the early 80's. I sent 

them this letter, let's see if they publish it. 

"Ken Kormanís article on the history of widescreen (June 1997) cites the 1984 

tape and laserdisk release of Woody Allenís Mahattan as beginning of widescreen 

releases in the proper aspect ratio on home video. This is inaccurate as 

another video format made a commitment to letterboxing on video earlier. 

Manhattan made its video debut on CED disk, and Video Magazine wrote about the 

release, commending RCA at the time for taking the stepóshame on you for 

forgetting your own history and perspective. Letís give credit where credit is 

due. 

RCA began issuing letterboxed titles of "cult" favorites on CED in 1983 (before 

the start-up of the Criterion Company). Among the titles issued were Monty 

Python and the Holy Grail, The Long Goodbye, King of Hearts and Amacordóall of 

which would not see letterboxed presentations in other video formats until at 

least 10 years later. The disk magazines featured an icon depicting a 

letterboxed tv screen with the following explanation: "This videodisc features 

RCAís innovative widescreen technique. In order to preserve the complete width 

of the film in the space available on a television screen, a blank area will 

appear at the top and bottom consistently throughout the film"." 

Bob Graham 

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 16:28:40 +0300 




Subject: ceds & RCA 400's for sale 

I had many people interested in the 647 discs (approx l/3 of them 

new) and the three RCA 400 random access players. I need to sell 

everything together to make shipping back to the U.S.A. worthwhile 

in that it will cost me approximately $1,000 to ship the lot. I'm 

moving to a new house here in a few weeks and need this stuff out of 

my life. I'm willing to listen to any reasonable offer. I'd hate to 

see my prized collection end up in the dumpster because here all they 

have is PAL format TV's and NTSC is useless to most people. So if any 

of you want a really good collection at a really good price with three 

of RCA's last machines(complete with remotes and owner's manuals)

e-mail me at sobel@isracom.co.il .The listing of the discs was in 

last week's ced newsletter. Thanks. 

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Subject: Skipping problems with CED player SFT-100 


To: "CED Digest" 


Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:37:14 -0400 

I jsut got a SFT-100 playaer and have been having some problems, I hope 

fellow CEDers can help out. 

I just purchased a CED player from somoeone + disks. The model is a 

SFT-100, the seller said it had worked fine wehn he had it. He bought it 

from someone who kept it in EX shape, it looks like new. It was packed 

well for transit and a felt pad was put inside the machine under the door 

to keep the turntable from spinning. I unpacked it and hooked it up. I 

started getting a skipping prblem with it. I have a SKt-090 and the disks 

DID NOT SKIP in that machine so I assume it was not the disks. I turned 

it off and tried it again in a half hour or so. I tried the same diks and 

they worked ok for about 5 min. Then the skipping returned jsut like a LP 

would skip over and over again, the CED jsut played the same immage over 

and over again and would not move forward. I unpluged the unit and 

figured the problem was dirt on the needle. I lifted it out and used a 

brand new soft LP brush on it. I put the cartige back in and then tried 

the player agin with the same disks that skipped before, the asame 

problem occured. I tried another disk and it played FINE, I then tried a 

BRAND NEW SEALED DISK. The new sealed never been used disk also skipped 

very badly!! 

So what do you think the problem is? 1. Worn needle ? 2.Electronic 

problem? 3. Arm out of balance? 4. Disk loading improperly? 5. Turntable 

needing adjustment(it seem to track find to me no woobling) The selector 

swich is off a bit also how to adjsut it?? 

I hope it is only the needle if not I may return it to the seller. I am 

getting a SGT-250 soon so I hope the 3rd CEd player will be the charm 

with no problems. The 090 I got is having a lot of problems 1. The disk 

is somtimes left in the machine ( worn belt?) 2. The turntable is 

woobling(how to fix?) 

IS there anything or any problems I should look for in my SGT-250 when 

I get it??? 

In conclusion what do you think the problem is with the terrible 

skipping on my SFT-100? 

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To: Tom Howe

i HAVE BASICALLY sold all but 20 of my discs to a member of the mailing list. 

thanks. youcan take my for sale. memo off the next mailing. thanks. brian 

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To: Tom Howe 



Ted: 

> 

> At the same time that videodic was in development, the IBM-PC was 

> introduced and the Apple II was going full guns. We decided to 

> implement an RS-232 interface on the MAV port. Basically, the videodisc 

> player "woke up" in the MAV mode. However, if the device connected to 

> the videodisc asserted a "break" or an extended space on the line, then 

> the unit would switch to the RS-232 mode. The commands were ASCII 

> equivalents for FF, REV, etc. One should be able to communicate with 

> the port using a PC and the terminal program in Windows or Procomm or 

> some other communications program. The command sent by the PC will 

> cause a response by the player. I left RCA before J line was released 

> or I might have the command set. The commands were one or two letters 

> and were the obvious combinations for the function that you want. FF for 

> fast forward, etc. Give it a try but the interface needs to be 0 to 5v 

> unless the boys put the clamp diode in the input circuit. 

As I recall for the Colecovision system there were several proposed "Super 

Game Modules" (the final product being the ADAM computer) one of which 

used a videodisc player to do games like Dragon's Lair and Space Ace 

through the RS-232 serial port which you suggest here. RCA and Coleco were 

supposed to have collaborated on this if I remember correctly. 

*Geoff!* 

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:55:26 -0700 



Subject: RE:Hitachi/Realistic/Sears Timing Belt 


Hitachi CED players (and their Realistic and Sears name-brand equivalents) use a 

orange-colored reinforced nylon timing belt to precisely advance the pickup arm 

assembly. This belt is an industry standard part that should be available from 

parts suppliers specializing in timing belts. Here are the specifications: 

1/8" wide 190T80 timing belt

The 190T80 number should be printed in tiny lettering on the smooth side of the 

belt and means the belt has a total of 190 teeth with a pitch of 0.080" (pitch 

being the distance between the same point on adjacent teeth). 

All Hitachi, Realistic, and Hitachi-style Sears players use the same belt, and 

the part is still available through Sears Parts at (800)366-7278 for $6.99. The 

part number is 46-39699-3. 

One point of confusion about Sears players is that the model number 934.5481135 

on the back of the Sears gold-colored Stereo model is the model number for a VCR 

rather than a CED player. The correct number for this player is 934.54810350 

which is the number printed in the owner's and service manuals, and is also the 

number used by the Sears Parts people. All the Sears players should have a zero 

on the end of the model number, which is omitted on a lot of the player labels. 

--Tom Howe 

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To: Tom Howe 

Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:02:54 -0500 

Subject: CED digest entry 


Hi Tom, an entry for the digest for my friend: 

Hello all, my friend Rob in Austin is just starting to collect some 

CEDs, and here is his list of titles he wants to trade for others. He 

said he would probably sell them also if you don't want to trade. 

You can mail him at: 

KingAssMan@aol.com 

or mail me at 

Zachd@hub.ofthe.net 

Although his handle may sound like a 15 year old net-scammer, I 

assure you he just likes that character on Seinfeld and uses that 

alias on his bosse's AOL account! 

"10" 

48 Hours 

African Queen 

Arthur 

Beauty and the Beast 

Ben Hur 

Caddyshack 

Chinatown 

Cousin Cousine 

Count of Monte-Cristo, The

Disney Cartoon Classics: Vol. 1, Chip n Dale w/Donald 

Free To Be...You And Me/Mandy's Grandmother 

Great Muppet Caper 

High Anxiety 

History of the World, Part 1 

Ice Man 

Little Woman (Cartoon, Japanimation Style) 

Mad Max 

Man with Two Brains 

Ninotchka 

North Dallas Fourty 

On Golden Pond 

One From the Heart 

Rich and Famous 

Sergeant York 

Shaggy Dog, The, (Walt Disney) 

Sunset Boulevard 

Ten Commandments, The 


To Be or Not to Be 

TTYL, 

ZD 

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http://users.hub.ofthe.net/~zachd/ 

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From: REGBO 

Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:29:39 -0400 (EDT) 

Subject: Discs and player for sale 


MIME-version: 1.0 

I have about eighty-five CED discs and a player for sale. 

I'll take best offer. Please e-mail for a list. 

thanks 

Scott Cook 

Regbo@Delphi.com 

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:16:53 +0000 




Subject: FORWARDED TO CED DIGEST FROM REC.ARTS.SF.MARKETPLACE

Subject: FS: 2 Nice Star Wars Videodiscs 

> From: Eric Maloney 

> Date: 1997/06/12 

> Message-Id: 

> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace 

> [More Headers] 

> 

> Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. These are videodiscs (not laserdiscs) 

made for RCA's short-lived 

> CED format in the early 1980s. Even if you don't have a SelectaVision machine 

to play them on, they're 

> nice collectibles and good display pieces. For more information and to view a 

picture, go to: 

> 

> http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=mtj38287 

> 

> Minimum bid is only $3 for both. 

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:22:29 -0700 



Subject: The First Letterboxed VideoDisc 


Here is a posting sent to Usenet a few weeks ago concerning the first use of 

letterboxing on home video, which I believe was the CED Amarcord. I've been 

planning on using Amarcord as the next featured CED at the web site, as it seems 

to be the belief of Video Magazine (see CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 23) that the 

LaserDisc Manhattan was the first letterboxed video release, when it was 

actually the last letterboxed CED. No one on Usenet could cite a letterboxed 

video release that predates Amarcord, but if anyone on CED Digest has any 

information on this, please post it. 

--Tom 

>Subject: The Very First Letterboxed VideoDisc 

>From: (Tom Howe) 

>Date: 1997/05/22 

>Newsgroups: alt.video.laserdisc,rec.video 

> 

>I've been trying to determine if the initial letterboxed video release 

>appeared first on LaserDisc or first on RCA's SelectaVision CED format. 

>I'm talking about continuous letterboxing from start to finish, not just 

>on the credits or limited portions of the material (eg. Woodstock). 

>My research indicates that Amarcord was the first letterboxed release, 

>appearing exclusively on the RCA VideoDisc format in January 1984 (the 

>packaging is copyrighted 1983). Here's a list of all the letterboxed discs 

>released in the CED format: 

>

Amarcord, Jan. 1984 (packaging copyright 1983) 

>Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Feb. 1984 (packaging copyright 1983) 

>The Long Goodbye, March 1984 (packaging copyright 1983) 

>King of Hearts, July 1984 (packaging copyright 1984) 

>Manhattan, August 1984 (packaging copyright 1984) 

> 

>Of these, the only title that appears to have also been released on 

>LaserDisc in letterboxed format is Manhattan, eight months after Amarcord. 

>Can anyone confirm that Manhattan was the first letterboxed LaserDisc? 

> 

>Thanks, 

> 

>Tom Howe 

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 15:44:01 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: CED's 4 Sale 

RCA VideoDiscs for sale - 





EASY MONEY $5 


GHOSTBUSTERS $5 



FIRST ANNUAL PLAYBOY PLAYMATE REVIEW $20 

MONTY PYTHON'S LIFE OF BRIAN $20 

NEIGHBORS $5 


PHANTASM $15 

PSYCHO $10 

PSYCHO II $5 

THE SHINING (2 discs) $20 



STAR TREK - Balance of Terror/Mirror, Mirror $10 


WAR OF THE WORLDS $5



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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:10:47 -0700 




To: Tom Howe 


> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:24:35 -0500 (CDT) 

> From: Geoff Oltmans 

> To: Tom Howe 

> Subject: Re: CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 23 

> MIME-Version: 1.0 

> 

> Ted: 

> 

> > 

> > At the same time that videodic was in development, the IBM-PC was 

> > introduced and the Apple II was going full guns. We decided to 

> > implement an RS-232 interface on the MAV port. Basically, the videodisc 

> > player "woke up" in the MAV mode. However, if the device connected to 

> > the videodisc asserted a "break" or an extended space on the line, then 

> > the unit would switch to the RS-232 mode. The commands were ASCII 

> > equivalents for FF, REV, etc. One should be able to communicate with 

> > the port using a PC and the terminal program in Windows or Procomm or 

> > some other communications program. The command sent by the PC will 

> > cause a response by the player. I left RCA before J line was released 

> > or I might have the command set. The commands were one or two letters 

> > and were the obvious combinations for the function that you want. FF for 

> > fast forward, etc. Give it a try but the interface needs to be 0 to 5v 

> > unless the boys put the clamp diode in the input circuit. 

> 

> As I recall for the Colecovision system there were several proposed "Super 

> Game Modules" (the final product being the ADAM computer) one of which 

> used a videodisc player to do games like Dragon's Lair and Space Ace 

> through the RS-232 serial port which you suggest here. RCA and Coleco were 

> supposed to have collaborated on this if I remember correctly. 

> 

> *Geoff!* 

> 

Tom, 

It looks like I DO have the specification for the serial port as well as 

the on-screen display IC used in the J and K line players. I also have 

other documents such as the notes that were used for the technical

writeup of the SFT-100 player, a copy of the VIP-1000 service manual 

from Hitachi. 

While I am not willing at this time to give up the originals I would be 

willing to share copies of what I have. 

I was looking through my documents in an attempt to help Peter Goldberg 

with his skipping problem. 

Ted 

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:12:30 -0700 

To: Tom Howe 

From: (Marlin Bates, IV) 


I have a wee question for you all... 

I have a SJT 400 Player. When I got it it did not have a manual or a 

remote control so I have been searching for one for a long time. Well, a 

few weeks ago I came across something called "Digital COmmand Center" by 

RCA. Big huge remote that had buttons like "Band" "Audio B" "Page" etc on 

it so I hurried it home after paying the exorbinant $20 for it. Nothing. 

Nada. So I figured it was either broken or did not work with the player. 

Today I saw another one - IN THE BOX (no instructions) this one was a 

paltry $5. SO I fighured it HAS to work. 

Got it home and it doesn't seem to do anything either. EXCEPT on my "A 

Week at The Races" Game it flashes "Illegal Command Entered" when I hit 

"Audio B" (The first one does this as well I found out). 

So, couple of questions: 

Am I doing something wrong? 

Will this not work with the SJT-400? 

What DOES it work with? 

If I can't use it does somebody else want one? 

Thanks 

-Marlin 

---*** Videos, VWs, & Video games...sad and pathetic but social 

---*** Marlin Bates, owner: '69 VW Westfalia Bus aka Lazarus 

---*** XL/XE: 236/ Lynx: 80/ Jag: 58/ Sega: 69/ CED: 1197/ TG:52/ 3DO: 37 

--*-*-* Always looking for RCA VideoDisks (aka CED) 

-*--*--* Web Page: http://www.stocko.sonnet.com/Fujidom/

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:52:54 -0700 

To: Tom Howe 


Subject: RCA Digital Command Center 

On a related matter, I was looking at the scans of the owners manual to the 

SKT-400 and noticed that the DIgital Command center in there is different 

(slightly) from the one I have. 

Mine does NOT have a Disk button, but rather has "TV" VCR" "AUX" "AM/FM" 

"PHON" "TAPE" and "CD" 

Also, instead of the "0" button saying "Aux" over it (as it does in the 

SKT-400 manual) mine says "Input" 

Thanks again and any help is appreciated. 

-Marlin 





-*--*--* Web Page: http://www.stocko.sonnet.com/Fujidom/ 

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:55:38 -0700 


To: mbates 

Cc: ceds@teleport.com 

Subject: RCA Digital Command Center -Reply 


Marlin: 

When RCA introduced the original CRK 32 Digital Command Center in late 1983 

there were only three mode buttons on the upper left, but RCA had the Dimensia 

Integrated Component System under development, so space was left to add 

additional mode buttons. When Dimensia was marketed about a year later (after 

the CED cancellation announcement), the DISC button was renamed VID2, but it 

continued to function as a DISC button to control a 400 series player. Due to 

the layout of the circuit board inside these first generation Digital Command 

Centers, the third button from the left on the top row will always function as a 

DISC mode button. 

But you may have noticed that the CRK 42 units you have are missing the third 

button from the left. There's just an empty spot where the button should be. 

This was a strange thing for RCA to do, since the PAGE, BAND, and SEEK buttons 

specific to interactive CED usage are still labeled on the unit. The good news

is that the DISC button is still there, it's just hidden under the top panel, so 

the CRK 42 remote can be used for full interactive control of the 400 series 

player. There are two ways to accomplish this. With batteries installed in the 

unit, remove the four screws holding the top and bottom of the case together, 

then remove the five screws holding the circuit board to the top panel. Now the 

keypad can be separated from the top panel (being careful not to lose the 

grounding spring), the hidden button can be pushed, and the unit reassembled. 

As long as the batteries continue to power the unit, and no other mode button is 

pushed, the Digital Command Center will function as a 400 series remote. The 

other option would be to drill or cut a hole in the casing above the DISC button 

position when the remote is disassembled. Then a straightened paperclip or some 

other small instrument could be used to activate the DISC button. 

--Tom 

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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:01:56 -0700 

To: Tom Howe 


Subject: Re: RCA Digital Command Center -Reply 


Tom (and the list), 

You know there are times like these where I *LOVE* the net!! (On an 

semi-related side note: IO just bought a TRS-80 Model 100 Portable Computer 

and got TONS of stuff about it off the net on a 12 year old ocmputer!) 

Thank you so much on the information. I will do the dis-assembly and let 

you know the results. 

-Marlin 






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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:34:35 -0700 

To: Tom Howe 


Subject: Re: RCA Digital Command Center -Reply 


OUTSTANDING!!!!!!

EXCELLENT!!!! 

(Can you tell how happy I am?!?!?!?!?!) 

This is GREAT! Tom, you are a deity among men! On a side note - the 

circuit board in the Command Center I have (you termed it model CRK 42) 

states CRK 32! So they did not even bother to change it! 

Excellent. I made a rather largeish hole in the old one but I think the 

second one I will put a very small paperclip sized hole in it. (The second 

one is the new one so I do not want it to be all nastified by my bad 

drilling! 

Thanks again! 

-Marlin 





-*--*--* Web Page: http://www.stocko.sonnet.com/Fujidom/Date: 

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Subject: SFT-100 Player Tried My Best 


To: 


Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:46:20 -0400 

Hello CED'ers 

Last week a posting of mine was in the digest about skipping of my 

SFT-100. I followed all the GREAT suggestions. I was adjusting the 

camshafts, to try and "fix" the out of wack function lever. While doing 

so (very carefully) one of the metal switches above the camshaft fell out 

of place. Putting it back in proved impossible and that metal switch was 

the one that controlled the play function. I can se why RCA did away with 

that function switch on the SFT-100, the entire system with the switch 

seemed to be very trouble prone. 

I did get a SGT-250 and it is working fine so the third CED player was 

the CHARM! IF anyone has a working remote for that player for sale let me 

know! Was it a wired remote or was it wireless? My 250 has a silver front 

and very plain looking, did all 250's look like this? 

The SGT-250 seems to be the most "reliable" of the line with the 400

series also. 

To bad RCA didnt introduce those players frist instead of the trouble 

prone 090 and SFT-100 or SGT-100. Again thank you for everyones help!!! 

Peter 

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From: "Cheryl " 

To: 

Subject: VideoDiscs - MA 

Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:20:46 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 


Hi, 

I have come upon a RCA VideoDisc player and about 75 movies. I live in 

Massachusetts. Is there anyone out there that has any interest in this 

collection? 

Thanks. 

Cheryl 

chercorm@ix.netcom.com 

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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:22:04 -0700 

To: Tom Howe 


Subject: CED Digest 

I have the following discs for sale: 

$3.50 each plus $1 each shipping. 2 disc movies are $7 plus $2 shipping. 

Will trade 3 of the ones below for any one I do not have (see my web page 

for the ones I have!) 

48 Hrs. 

Adam and the Ants 

...And Justice for All 

Arthur 

Bells are Ringing 

Ben Hur (2 discs) 

The Bette Midler Show 

Black Stallion (RCA version) 

Black Stallion Returns (RCA version) 

Chralie Brown Festival, Vol. III

Coma 

Disney Cartoon Parade, Vol. 2 

Dogs of War 

Doobie Brothers -- Live in Santa Barbara 

Elephant Man (2 discs) (RCA version) 

Faerie Tale Theatre: Goldilocks and the Three Models 

Firefox (2 discs) 

Flashdance 

Godfather (2 discs) 

Jane Fonda's Workout 

Magnificent Seven, The (2 discs) 

Meatballs 

Night Shift 

Officer and a Gentleman, An (2 discs) 

On Golden Pond 

Porky's II: The Next Day 

Rocky II (RCA version) 

Rocy III (RCA version) 

Romancing the Stone 

Saturday Night Fever (RCA version) 

Shaggy Dog 

Simon and Garfunkel - The Concert in Central Park 

Sound of Music, The (2 discs) 

The Spy Who Loved Me (RCA version) 

Still of the Night 

Sudden Impact 

Superman (2 discs) 

Superman II (2 discs) 

Swing Time 

Swiss family Robinson, The 

Tom and Jerry II 

Treasure Island 

True Grit 

Uncommon Valor 

Thanks 

-Marlin 






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From: =(Gary Perry) 

To: "'ceds@teleport.com'" 

Subject: RE: Videodisc 

Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:26:52 -0500 

MIME-Version: 1.0

FOR SALE... new updated list Thanks 

---------- 

From: Gary Perry 

Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 10:03 AM 

Subject: Videodisc 

188 CED DISC AVAILABLE FOR SALE 

1. All the Marbles 2. Against All Odds 3. Angelo, My Love(2) 5. ALL The 

Presidents Men 6. Aerobicise ,The Beautiful Workout 7. Airplane 8. All That 

Jazz 9. Altered States 10. Apocalypse Now Part 1 (3) 13. Apocalypse Part 2 (3) 

16. Any Which Way You Can 17. Annie Part1 18. Annie Part 2 19.Amityville 2 The 

Possesion 20. Blue Thunder 21. Battle of Britian Part 1 22. Battle of Britian 

Part 2 24. Billy Jack 25. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid(2) 27. The Black 

Hole (2) 29. Blue Lagoon (2) 31. Black Stallion 32. The Boat Part 1 33 The Boat 

Part2 34. Big Blue Marblee Presents etc 35. Chinatown Part 1 36 Chinatown Part 2 

37. Close Encounters ... Part 1 (2) 39. Close Encounters part 2 (2) 41. 

Caddyshack 42. Count of Monte-Cristo (2) 44. Chariots of Fire 45. Charlotte's 

Web 46. Carrie 47. Carnal Kownledge 48. Doctor Zhivago Part 1 49. Dr Zhivago 

Part 2 50. Diner 51. Dark Victory (Bette Davis) 52.Death Wish53. Dumbo (2) 55. 

Dragonslayer (2) 57. Escape from Alcatraz (2) 59. The Exterminator 60. Empire 

Strikes Back (2) 62. Exodus Part 1 63. Exodus Part 2 64. Earth,Wind and Fire 

in Concert 65.The Front 66. Friday the 13th 67. Fiddler on the Roof Part 1 68. 

Fiddler on the Roof Part 2 (2) 70. Felini's Amarcord 71. Fame Part 72 Forbidden 

Planet (2)74. 42nd Street 75. Fistfull of Dollars 76.Godfather Part 1 (2) 78. 

Godfather 2 Part 1 79. The Godfather Part 2 80. Gas Pump GIrls 81. The Great 

Muppet Caper (2) 83. The Gradute 84. Gigi 85.The Hostipal 86. The Hobbit (2) 

87. Hawaii Part 1 88. Hawaii Part 2 89..Heaven Can Wait 90. Jaws (2) 92..Jason 

and the Argonauts 93.Kramer vs. Kramer 94. Kidnapped 95. Mandingo 96. Mash (3) 

99. Moonraker Part 1 100. Moonraker Part (2) 102. Man who fell to Earht Part 1 

103. Jules Verne Mysteries Island 104. The Night Porter 105. 9 to 5 106. 

Ordinary People Part1 (2) 108. Ordinary People Part 2 (2) 110 On Her Majesty's 

Secret Service Part 2 111. Prince and the Pauper 112. Patton Part 1 113. Places 

in the Heart 114.Porky's (2) 116.Prince of the City Part 1 117. Prince of the 

City Part 2 118. A Purple Taxi 119. Private Benjamin 120. Paths of Glory 121. 

Pennies from Heaven 122. Richard Pryor Some Kind of Hero 123. Pirates of 

Penzance 124. Psycho II 125.Reds Part 1 126. Reds Part 2 127Raiders of the 

LOst Ark (3) 130.Race for your Life Charlie Brown 131. Ragy Bulls Part 1 132. 

Raging Bull Part2 133. Risky Business 134. Robin Hood (E F) 135. Ragtime Part 1 

136. Ragtime Part 2 137. Return of the King 138. Rocky 139. Stir Crazy 140. 

Saturday Night Fever 141. Stripes 142. Scrooge (1970) 143. Star Wars 144. 

Superman Part 1 145. Superman Part 2 146. Savannah Smiles 147 The Shaggy Dog 

148. Silly Symphoines 149. Farrie Tale .. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 150. 

Stalag 17 151. Seems Like Old Times 152. Secret Nimh 153. Sharky's Machine 154. 

Summer LOvers (2) 156.The Sunshine Boys 157. The Shining Part 1 (2) 159. The 

Shining Part 2 (2) 161.Sophis's Choice Part 1 162. Trading Places (2) 164. Time 

Bandits 165. 20,000 Leagues under the Sea 166. The Ten Commandments Part 1 167. 

The Ten Commandments Part 2 168 Tarzan, The Ape Man( B Derek) 169. The 39 Steps 

170. Tales from Muppetland 171. True Confessions 172. Tut: The Boy King and the

Louver 173...Tess Part 1 174.Tess Part2 175. The Three Musketeers (2) 177. 

Tooties 178. The Three Stooges Vol 1 179.Valley Girls 180.Victory 181.Victory at 

Sea 182. Wargames (3) 185. World according to Garp 186. The Wild Bunch Part 1 

187. The Way We Were 188.Wholly Moses...$4 Each $6 on Double Disc Plus Shipping 

LMK Thanks Gary Perry May Consider trade for Records or Laser Disc 

: 

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From: "Robert Brown" 


Subject: Phantasm disc 

Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:26:42 PDT 

Has anybody noticed that the Phantasm disc has a scene deleted from 

the tape version of the movie? (I haven't bought the deluxe laserdisc 

version yet to check to see if the scene is in it.) The scene in 

question occurs on side two, but I'm not sure about how far into the 

side it is. After Mike finds the time gate, at one point the lights go 

out and Mike uses a cigarette lighter to illuminate the room. As he 

flicks the lighter, he sees one of the Jawa-looking creatures very near 

his face, and he says something like "Oh, shit." This scene is not on 

my Embassy pre-rec tape of the film. It may have been in the Magnetic 

Video version that circulated in the very early 80's, but, again, I 

haven't been able to verify this. 

Another strange thing about the CED is that the soundtrack has some very 

unusual "misplaced" audio. At one point on side one, Jody's car squeals 

out of the bar parking lot, and at the beginning of the next scene, you 

can hear a repeat of the squealout. There's another place where the 

audio is wrong, but I can't think of it now for the life of me. If 

anyone knows where RCA got their master for Phantasm, it may shed some 

light on this. If anyone would like to know any specifics about the 

various anomalies, e-mail me and I'll check the disc to get exact time 

references and specific info about the scenes in question. 

Rob 

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:32:59 +0900 


From: ksuzuki] 

Subject: RCA CED capacitance sensor circuit 


Dear 

I saw with interest your internet home page 

(http://www.teleport.com/~ceds/selectavision.html). 

I would like to introduce myself. 

I am working in the Department of research & development at the JEOL Ltd.(

Japanese electron microscope company). 

I am looking for "RCA CED Video Disc capacitance sensor circuit" (not 

needle cartridge). 

Please advice me that how can I get it. 

Katsuyuki Suzuki 

------------------------------------------------------------ 

Katsuyuki Suzuki 

TM Group R&D Department Electron Optics Division JEOL Ltd. 

1-2 Musashino 3-Chome Akishima Tokyo 196 JAPAN 

Tel: +81 425 42 2278 

Fax: +81 425 46 8063 

E-mail: ksuzuki@jeol.co.jp 

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:50:54 -0600 (MDT) 

From: GLAHE FRED R 


Subject: CED 


I am seeking CED Videodisk version of Blade Runner. 

fred.glahe@colorado.edu 

Please post on CED Digest. Many thanks. 

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:58:29 -0600 



Subject: DVD vs LD & CED 

In a previous letter, I spoke about DVD being pixellated and the fact that it 

advertises itself as having better pictures than a Laser disc... Well, 

actually, in the long run DVD will have a better picture than Laserdisc or 

CED...... Because the DVD uses MPEG2 digital technology, it will never 

have lines or specks or dots go through the picture the way that LD's 

and CED's do...... So, DVD is one up on having the longest lasting 

pixellated picture without dots or lines..... However, for DVD picture 

quality..... I still have to say, "BLECCCH!!" 

Later,

Dave. 

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From: "Robert Brown" 


Subject: Followup to previous Phantasm post 

Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 12:11:34 PDT 

Since I had a few requests, here are the differences between the 

Phantasm CED and the tape version. I was working solely from memory 

when I did the last post, and, after rewatching my disc, I discovered 

that there is only one audio "misplacement." The scene that is missing 

from the tape and is on the CED disc is, I have been informed, also on 

the deluxe laserdisc pressing. But--for those of you (like me) who 

don't have the laserdisc, I've got a transcript of the missing scene. 

First, the misplaced audio. It occurs on Side 1 of the disc, right as 

the time counter turns from 24 to 25. It occurs at the end of Mike's 

nightmare--there is about one second of the sound of a car screeching to 

a halt instead of the screams of the ghouls in the nightmare. This 

scene is immediately followed by a scene of Jody's car screeching into 

the parking lot of a bar, accompanied by the same audio from the end of 

the previous scene. So it's not, as one reader suggested, the RCA 

technicians forgeting to turn down a carry-over audio track from the 

master--it looks instead to be a mistake made when editing the RCA 

master. It seems that this is a likely time for a reel break, and the 

audio from the next reel was inadvertantly put at the end of the 

previous reel. Just a guess. By the way, this problem does not exist 

on my pre-recorded copy of the Embassy tape. 

Now, on to the CED extra. On Side 2, right as the counter hits the 29 

minute mark, a twenty-eight second scene occurs that is not on the tape 

versions of the film. What follows is a transcript of the extra 

footage: 

Over a black screen, we hear: 

Jody: Okay, stay together. 

Mike: Wait a sec. I think I gotta lighter. 

Jody: Quick, light it up. 

Mike lights the lighter, revealing one of the dwarf creatures in front 

of him. Mike screams as the creature leaps on him, knocking the lighter 

from his hand. The screen goes black again as sounds of their struggle 

continue for a few seconds. Then we hear: 

Jody: Over here--follow me.

We hear the sound of footsteps, followed by the sound of a door 

slamming. After a beat we hear: 

Reggie: Jody, where are ya? Mike? 

A growl fills the darkness. 

Reggie: Oh, shit! 

Thus ends "the dark scene." For those of you who have only a tape copy, 

it occurs about 72 minutes into the film, right after the lights go out 

in the gateway room. Immediately after the scene, the film cuts to a 

shot of Jody outside the mortuary, calling for Mike. 

I hope this hasn't been too long-winded, but it's always a plus to find 

extra things on your CEDs--and due to your responses, I know there are 

apparently several Phantasm fans out there. 

Rob 

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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 09:39:42 -0700 



Subject: Expanded Vaporware Listing 



Going through some early 80's publications I've recently acquired, I found about 

70 more titles announced for release on CED that appear to never have made it 

into production. These are mostly from the late '83 - early '84 time frame, and 

were probably canceled when RCA abandoned the system in April '84. The complete 

list can be found at the web site: 

http://www.teleport.com/~ceds/selectavision.html 

--Tom Howe 

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 23:11:25 -0700 (PDT) 


To: Tom Howe 



The scene in "Phantasm" that is missing in some versions was edited out 

by mistake by a rushed telcine job, they thought that it was just black 

space that was just a leader or something, not part of the movie. The 

current laserdisc version has director's running commentary that mentions

this when it comes on. I have this plus the CED and a copy of one of the 

later Embassy VHS tapes, I'll have to run all 3 simultaneously sometime 

to check out the sound discrepancies. 

BTW has anyone seen/heard the Magnetic Video laserdisc of this movie? 

It's "electronically re-channeled" for stereo, the new disc was remixed 

for stereo so it'd be interesting to see how it compares to the old disc. 

(I kinda don't like stereo-ized versions of mono soundtracks, but that's 

another story.) I did see this movie on TV a few years ago, slightly 

edited, and it was in some kind of weird-sounding stereo. It sounded fake 

but the dialogue stayed in the center so it wasn't the result of those 

annoying "synthesized stereo" processors that a lot of TV stations used 

when stereo TV first came out (thankfully most stations here stopped 

using them a long time ago!) 

On another note, does anyone else have the CED of "Scrooge" that is in 

stereo only on side 2? Side 1 has a stereo signal but the sound is 

completely mono, when I first watched it last Christmas I thought that 

was how the whole movie probably was, as there were a few older movies on 

CBS/FOX video tapes that were in "electronically re-channeled" stereo 

that produced very little stereo effect, but there was a dramatic 

difference in seperation once side 2 started. 

I find it pretty amusing that my 14 1/2 year old player produces decent 

surround sound while there are people out there watching recent movies on 

MONO VHS machines! Who's -really- nuts here? 

"Our list of favorites will grow and grow- in stereo!" 

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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 12:32:16 +0300 



To: Tom Howe 

Subject: machines and discs for sale 

HELLO--I'M STILL TRYING TO SELL AS A PACKAGE MY THREE 400 RANDOM ACCESS 

RCA PLAYERS WITH REMOTES AND OWNER'S MANUALS WITH 647 TITLES (half new 

and/or double discs). I WILL TAKE THE BEST OFFER THIS WEEK INCLUDING 

SHIPPING FROM MY HOME TO YOUR STATE. SINCERELY YOURS, H. SOBEL 

SOBEL@ISRACOM.CO.IL 

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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 12:38:11 -0500 (CDT) 

From: Daniel J Kuhn 

Subject: CED mailing list posting 


MIME-version: 1.0

I have noticed that a few scened in "The Black Hole" I remember seeing in 

the theatre have been cut from what is shown on The Disney Channel. There 

was a scene where the telepathic woman gets something in her eye, and 

Maxamillian has to take it out. And there may have been a cut in the scene 

where Max shreds his way though the book in to ...er...the "Phsycho" actor. 

Are these scenes present on the CED release? 

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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 09:52:15 -0600 



Subject: More DVD / CED stuff 

Chris White Emailed me and wrote..... 

>All this anti-DVD crap from you. Hey I own CED, LD and DVD. DVD is 

>simply awesome. If you see spots or pixels or whatever then you must 

>be friggin' blind. 

Well I'm not blind and I do see pixels changing on the in store demo.... 

This could be due to Quantization or Concatenation... Anyway.... DVD is 

here to stay... The technology behind it is really neat.... I may... MAY..... 

end up adding this piece of technology to my home entertainment system 

yet.... Despite all the bad things I've said about it... The discs are smaller 

than Laserdisc and there are a lot of really neat movies out on DVD right 

now.... My favorite being "Rock And Roll High School" with the 

Ramones..... I was amazed to see this out on DVD.... 

However one drawback I saw recently at a Best Buy in Illinois was a 

disk skipping and locking up.... So, obviously DVD still has this problem to 

a degree.... All Video disc media still can't solve the skipping or lock up 

problem... Hopefully they can correct this.... 

Later, 

Dave. 

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From: "Scott Timperley" 

To: 

Subject: CED's For Sale 

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1997 18:55:51 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 


Here is my complete list of CED's. I am asking $5 for most of the discs 

and the others are priced as marked. The ones marked NFS are not for sale 

at this time. Shipping costs are $2 for the first disc and $1 each after

that. I will pay shipping on any orders over 10 titles. 

Thanks 

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| Title | Major Stars | Price | 

| 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea | Kirk Douglas | | 

| 42nd Street | Ginger Rogers | | 

| A Hard Days Night | The Beatles | NFS | 

| A Matter of Time | Liza Minnelli, Ingrid | | 

| A Week at the Races | Interactive Disc | NFS | 

| Against All Odds | Sally Field | | 

| All Of Me | Steve Martin | | 

| All The Marbles | Peter Falk | | 

| All The Right Moves | Tom Cruise | | 

| Amityville 3D | Tess Harper | 10 | 

| An Evening with Robin Williams | Robin Williams | | 

| An Eye for an Eye | Chuck Norris | | 

| And God Created Woman | Brigitte Bardot | | 

| Author, Author | Al Pacino, Dyan Cannon | | 

| Bananas | Woody Allen | 10 | 

| Being There | Peter Sellers, Shirley | | 

| Body Double | Melanie Griffin | | 

| Body Heat | | | 

| Breakout | Charles Bronson | | 

| Breathless | Richard Gere | | 

| Caddy Shack | Chevy Chase, Bill Murray | 10 | 

| Cannery Row | Nick Nolte, Debrah Winger | | 

| Carnal Knowledge | Ann Margaret | | 

| Carny | Jodie Foster | | 

| Carole King, One on One | | NFS | 

| Cat People | Nastassja Kinske | | 

| Cheech and Chong | Still Smokin' | 10 | 

| China Syndrome | | | 

| Christine | | 10 | 

| Chu Chu and the Philly Flash | Alan Arkin | | 

| Class | Jacquelin Bisset, Rob Lowe | | 

| Coal Miners Daughter | Sissy Spacek | | 

| Cocoon | | | 

| Come Back to the Five and Dime | Cher | | 

| Comedy Tonight | A. Kaufman, R. Williams, | 10 | 

| Coming Home | Jane Fonda, Jon Voight | | 

| Compromising Positions | Raul Julia, Susan Sarandon | | 

| Crosby, Stills and Nash, | | NFS | 

| Cutters Way | Jeff Bridges | | 

| Defiance | | | 

| Deliverance | Burt Reynolds, Jon Voight | | 

| Diana Ross, In Concert | | NFS | 

| Dillinger | | | 

| Dirty Harry | Clint Eastwood | |

| Don't Look Now | Donald Sutherland | | 

| Doobie Brothers, Live in Santa | | NFS | 

| DTV Pop and Rock | Cartoons to Music | | 

| Duran Duran | | NFS | 

| Eddie Macons Run | Kirk Douglas | | 

| Electric Light Orchestra, Live | | NFS | 

| Emmanuele In Bancock | (In Emmanuele case) | 10 | 

| Escape From Alcatraz | Clint Eastwood | | 

| Evilspeak | | | 

| Exodus | Paul Newman | | 

| Eye of the Needle | Donald Sutherland | | 

| F.I.S.T. | Sylvestor Stallone | | 

| Final Assignment | Michael York | | 

| First Blood | Sylvester Stallone | 10 | 

| Flash Gordon | | 10 | 

| Flashdance | | | 

| Fleetwood Mac, Mirage Tour | | NFS | 

| Footloose | Kevin Bacon | | 

| For A Few Dollars More | Clint Eastwood | 7 | 

| Friday the 13th Part 3 | | 7 | 

| Fuzz | Burt Reynolds, Raquel | | 

| Ghostbusters | Dan Akroyd, Bill Murray | 10 | 

| Go Tell the Spartans | Burt Lancaster | | 

| Godzilla King of the Monsters | | 10 | 

| Golden Oldies | Disney Cartoons to music | | 

| Great Figures in History | John F. Kennedy | | 

| Greystroke the Legend of | Christopher Lambert | | 

| Hang Em High | Clint Eastwood | 10 | 

| Hard Country | Kim Bassinger, Jan Michael | | 

| Hard Times | Charles Bronson, James | | 

| Harry and Son | Paul Newman, Robby Benson | | 

| Hawaii | Julie Andrews, Richard | | 

| He Man and the Masters of the | Cartoons | | 

| Heart Like a Wheel | Beau Bridges | | 

| Heartaches | Margot Kidder | | 

| High Sierra | Humphery Bogart | | 

| How to Beat the High Cost of | Jessica Lange | | 

| I Ought To Be In Pictures | Neil Simon Movie | | 

| Improper Channels | Alan Arkin | | 

| Impulse | Meg Tilly | | 

| In The Heat of the Night | | | 

| Into The Night | | | 

| Invasion of the Body Snatchers | Donald Sutherland | | 

| Invasion of the Body Snatchers | Original Movie | 10 | 

| Invitation To a Gun Fighter | Yul Bryner | | 

| Joni Mitchell | Shadows and Light | NFS | 

| Juggernaut | Richard Harris, Omar | | 

| Kenny Loggins, Alive | | NFS | 

| Killer Force | Telly Salavas, O.J. | | 

| Kramer Vs Kramer | Dustin Hoffman, Meryl | |

| Lenny Bruce Performance Film | | | 

| Looking for Mr. Goodbar | Richard Gere, Diane Keaton | | 

| Loving Couples | Shirley Maclaine, James | | 

| Magnum Force | Clint Eastwood | 7 | 

| Marathon Man | Dustin Hoffman | | 

| Meatballs | Bill Murray | 10 | 

| Michael Nesmith, Elephant Parts| | NFS | 

| Mr. Mom | Michael Keaton | | 

| Murder Anyone | Interactive Disc | NFS | 

| My Favorite Year | Peter O Toole | | 

| Mysterious Island | | | 

| Mystery Disc, Many Roads to | Interactive Disc | NFS | 

| Neighbors | Dan Akroyd, John Belushi | | 

| Never Cry Wolf | Wolf Documentary | | 

| Night Patrol | Linda Blair | | 

| Paul McCartney and Wings, Rock | | NFS | 

| North Dallas Forty | Nick Nolte, Mac Davis | | 

| One Night Stand, A Keyboard | | | 

| Ordinary People | Donald Sutherland, Mary Tyler | | 

| Paths of Glory | Kirk Douglas | | 

| Pink Floyd at Pompei | | NFS | 

| Pink Floyd, The Wall | | NFS | 

| Playboy Video Collectors Vol. | | 10 | 

| Playboys Video Collectors | | 10 | 

| Porkys | | 7 | 

| Private Benjamin | Goldie Hawn | | 

| Rebel Without A Cause | James Dean | 10 | 

| Rich and Famous | Candace Bergen, Jacklyn Bisset | | 

| Richard Pryor Here and Now | Richard Pryor | 7 | 

| Richard Pryor Live in Concert | Richard Pryor | 7 | 

| Risky Business | Tom Cruise | 10 | 

| Road Games | Stacey Keach | | 

| Rocky | Sylvestor Stalone | | 

| Rocky II | Sylvestor Stalone | | 

| Saturday Night Fever | John Travolta | NFS | 

| Silver Streak | Richard Pryor, Gene Wilder | | 

| Simon and Garfunkel, Concert | | NFS | 

| Sixteen Candles | Molly Ringwald | 10 | 

| Slapstick of Another Kind | Marty Feldman, Jerry Lewis | | 

| SOB | Julie Andrews | | 

| Something Wicked This Way | Jason Robards | | 

| Songwriter | Willie Nelson, Kris Kristoffer | | 

| Sophies Choice | Meryl Streep, Kevin Kline | | 

| Splash | Tom Hanks, Daryl Hannah | | 

| Split Image | James Woods, Karen Allen | | 

| Stage Coach | John Wayne | | 

| Star Trek The Motion Picture | | 15 | 

| Star Wars | | 10 | 

| Startrek II, The Wrath of | | 15 | 

| Steve Miller Band, Live | | NFS |

| Street Music | | | 

| Streets of Fire | | | 

| Stripes | Bill Murray, John Candy | 7 | 

| Sudden Impact | Clint Eastwood | | 

| Superman II | Christopher Reeves | | 

| Swingtime | | | 

| Sybil | Sally Field | | 

| Ten to Midnight | Charles Bronson | | 

| Tentacles | John Huston, Shelly Winters | | 

| Terms of Endearment | Shirley Maclaine, Jack | | 

| TEX | Matt Dillion | | 

| That Championship Season | Bruce Dern | | 

| Thats Entertainment | | | 

| The Adventures of Robin Hood | Errol Flynn | | 

| The Beach Girls | | | 

| The Big Red One | Lee Marvin | | 

| The Boat | | | 

| The Bostonians | Christopher Reeves | | 

| The Bounty | | | 

| The Deep | Jacklyn Bisset | | 

| The Deer Hunter | | 10 | 

| The Disney Disc of Mystery | Interactive | NFS | 

| The Dogs of War | Christopher Walken | | 

| The Domino Principle | Gene Hackman, Candace Bergen | | 

| The Elephant Man | Anothy Hopkins | | 

| The Empire Strikes Back | | 10 | 

| The Enforcer | Clint Eastwood | 10 | 

| The Evil That Men Do | Charles Bronson | | 

| The Falcon and the Snowman | Sean Penn, Timothy Hutton | | 

| The Flamingo Kid | Matt Dillon | | 

| The Formula | Marlon Brando, George C. Scott | | 

| The Four Musketeers | Raquel Welch, Richard | | 

| The Gauntlet | Clint Eastwood | | 

| The Great Space Coaster | | | 

| The Hotel New Hampshire | | | 

| The Killing Fields | Sally Fields | | 

| The Little Drummer Girl | | | 

| The Lonley Lady | Pia Zadora | | 

| The Man Who Would Be King | Michael Caine, Sean Connery | | 

| The Mountain Men | Robert Redford, Brian Keith | | 

| The Muppets Take Manhattan | | | 

| The Night Porter | | | 

| The Out of Towners | Jack Lemmon, Neil Simmon movie | | 

| The Outsiders | | NFS | 

| The Owl and the Pussycat | Babara Streisand | | 

| The Pirates of Penzance | Kevin Kline, Linda Ronstadt | | 

| The Pride and the Passion | C. Grant, F. Sinatra, S. Loren | | 

| The Private Eyes | Don Knotts, Tim Conoway | | 

| The Razors Edge | Bill Murray | | 

| The Rolling Stones, Lets Spend| | NFS |

| The Rose | Bette Midler | | 

| The Secret Policemans Other | Monty Python | 10 | 

| The Soldier | Ken Wahl | | 

| The Stunt Man | Peter O Toole | | 

| The Sure Thing | John Cusack | | 

| The Terminator | Arnold Schwarzenager | NFS | 

| The Texas Chainsaw Massacre | | NFS | 

| The Three Musketeers | Raquel Welch, Richard | | 

| The Time Machine | | | 

| The Tubes, | | NFS | 

| The Wild Life | Christopher Penn, Lea Thompson | | 

| The Wind In The Willows | | | 

| There's A Girl In My Soup | Peter Sellers, Goldie Hawn | | 

| Thief of Hearts | | | 

| Things Are Tough All Over | Cheech and Chong | | 

| Tight Rope | Clint Eastwood | | 

| To Be Or Not To Be | Mel Brooks | | 

| To Sir With Love | Sidney Poiter | | 

| Tom Jones | Albert Finney, Susan Sarandon | | 

| Trading Places | Dan Akroyd, Eddie Murphy | | 

| Trapeze | Burt Lancaster, Gina | | 

| Turk 182 | Timothy Hutton | | 

| Underfire | | | 

| Unfaithfully Yours | Dudley Moore, Nastassja Kinski | | 

| Up In Smoke | Cheech and Chong | 10 | 

| Vision Quest | Matthew Modine | | 

| Warriors | | NFS | 

| West World | | 7 | 

| White Lightning | Burt Reynolds | | 

| White Nights | Gregory Hines, Mikhail Baryshn | | 

| Willie Nelson and Family In | | | 

| Women In Love | | | 

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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 23:18:21 +0000 

From: Elmeaux 


To: Tom Howe 

Subject: CED collection for sale 

Hi. I'd like to offer the following Collection for sale(I'd prefer to 

sell the whole thing at once). Just send me an offer. Also, anyone with 

experience in shipping CEDs, I'd appreciate shipping suggestions and 

tips. OK, here's the list: 

"10" 

48 HOURS 

THE AFRICAN QUEEN 

ARTHUR 

BLADE RUNNER

BLUE HAWAII 

THE BLUE LAGOON 

BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID 

CARRIE 

CASSABLANCA 

CAT BALLOU 

CHEECHy CHONG'S UP IN SMOKE 

COAL MINERS DAUGHTER 

DIRTY HARRY 

DRESSED TO KILL 

EASTER PARADE 

FIDDLER ON THE ROOF(2 DISKS) 

THE FRENCH CONNECTION 

THE FRENCH LIEUTENANT'S WOMAN(2 COPIES) 

FORT APACHE, THE BRONX 

GATOR 

THE GODFATHER, PART I(2 DISKS) 

THE GODFATHER, PART II(2 DISKS) 

GREASE 

HAROLD & MAUDE 

HIGH NOON 

HISTORY OF THE WORLD PART I 


JEZEBEL 

THE LAST AMERICAN VIRGIN 

M*A*S*H 


NEIGHBORS 

PRETTY BABY 

RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK 

REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE 

RICHARD PRYOR LIVE IN CONCERT(2 COPIES) 

ROCKY I 

ROCKY II 

ROCKY III 

ROYAL WEDDING 

SINGIN' IN THE RAIN 

SOME LIKE IT HOT 

A STAR IS BORN(2 DISKS) 

STAR TREK-THE MOTION PICTURE(2 DISKS) 

STAR TREK II-THE WRATH OF KAHN 

STAR WARS 

STRIPES (2 COPIES) 

TAXI DRIVER 

TRUE CONFESSIONS 

TWILIGHT ZONE-THE MOVIE 

URBAN COWBOY(2 DISKS) 

USED CARS 

VICTOR/VICTORIA(2 DISKS) 

WHITE LIGHTNING

YANKEE DOODLE DANDY 

YOUNG DOCTORS IN LOVE 

Well, that's all of them. I'm located in the New Orleans area, so if 

you're nearby, we could avoid shipping charges. Thanks for looking! 

Everette 

elmeaux@iamerica.net 

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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:52:53 -0700 



Subject: CED Sightings on TV and in Movies 


Fellow CED Enthusiasts: 

Whenever I'm watching a movie or TV sitcom from the early 80's I always look at 

any entertainment consoles that may be in the background to see if they contain 

a CED player. Well, I've never spotted a player in any of my viewings, so I 

thought I'd post to see if anyone else has. The closest thing I've seen is the 

original RCA Digital Command Center being used to control a TV in "The Wizard of 

Speed and Time" (filmed in '83/'84 but not released until 1988). 

Somthing else that has been happening lately, particularly with 8-Track tape 

players, is the appearance of old technology in current productions set in the 

earlier time period. Showing someone loading a CED into one of RCA's 

electric-loading players would be a great prop for a movie set in the early 

80's. 

--Tom Howe 

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 07:18:59 -0700 (PDT) 


To: Tom Howe 



Re: possible footage missing from some versions of "The Black Hole": This 

reminds me of the CED of "Escape to Witch Mountain"- an IMPORTANT scene 

looks to have been deliberately cut out! The only other place I've seen 

this movie was on network TV way back when; when the bad guys bring the 

kids to the big house and leave them in that big playroom with all the

cool stuff, the brother starts playing his harmonica and makes some of 

the puppets and toys in the room dance telepathically; meanwhile the bad 

guys are watching this over hidden camera in a room full of video 

monitors and stuff (I specifically remember a large reel-to-reel machine 

in that scene). On the CED, the scene fades out right when the kid first 

picks up the harmonica, I assume the song he played had some copyright 

snafu that made them delete the whole scene. This renders a following 

scene completely senseless- the next day the kids are confronted about 

their magic powers and are told "Don't try to hide it, we saw all that 

playing around you were doing" (I forget the actual dialogue there.) 

The way Disney does stuff nowadays, they'd probably take that scene out 

and deny it ever existed (like the altering the allegedly racist lyrics 

in Aladdin for the video release, and their Touchstone movie "The 

Program" had a major scene, the infamous "freeway scene" taken out in the 

middle of its theatrical release after someone was killed imitating it!) 

As for the DVD thing again, I'm afraid that any problems with it will be 

brushed off like it's no big deal; if you read some old magazines 

describing CED's skipping problem I've seen a few comments like "this is 

only a minor annoyance, and this is still a great way to get your own 

video collection", in other words RCA paid us to keep our mouths shut 

about it! I had a letter published in Video magazine recently accusing 

them of doing something similar with DSS; someone had actually written "I 

did still see some motion artifacts but they were very subtle and I'm 

sure most people won't even notice them." Their big DVD article last 

issue was a major butt-kissing session; they even made a big deal about 

how great the built-in subtitle feature was, so you can watch a movie 

with the sound turned down when you have to keep the house quiet. Gee, 

what a revolutionary feature, I've never seen anything that can display 

what people are saying on the screen, ever. Oh yeah, except for those 

closed caption things, but otherwise this is totally new. 

Sorry I'm rambling, I've been up all night! 

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From: "H-n-C" 

To: 

Subject: saw a huge listing of LD's for sale in the current issue of Toy Shop 

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:40:09 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 


check under the toybox section the guy had a bunch listed starting at $3! 

Hope that helps. 

Peace, 

Stephen "Always tell the the truth, it's the easiest thing to 

remember"...dMamet 

Cybershoppers CLICK HERE====> http://www.texasmart.com/hunters 

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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 21:29:32 -0400

From: Jay Jones 

Organization: @Home Network 




Need mechanical parts for SJT-400. Any help would be appreciated. 

Jay Jones 

bingo@home.com 

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From: "Denis C Warburton" 

To: 

Subject: Re: CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 29 - Black Hole Question 

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:00:39 -0400 


X-Priority: 3 


To reply to the original poster's question about the version of "The Black 

Hole" airing on The Disney Channel, the only editing that appears to have 

been done to the film is the removal of every instance of the words "damn" 

and "hell." (With absolutely NO regards to CONTEXT! At one point they 

edited the old quote "Damn the the torpedoes, and full speed ahead" into 

just "full speed ahead"!!) The scene Daniel claims to have seen does not 

exist in either the TV edit, the original videotape release, or the Disney 

Channel version. Perhaps someone who owns the CED can comment if this scene 

is present (and if they used the same transfer that was used for the 

original videotape release). 

Incidentally, I've begun work on writing an FAQ for the Black Hole, so if 

anyone has any information on this film, I'd appreciate it if you get in 

contact with me. 

BTW: If anyone has a CED of this film for sale, or a CED player, please 

e-mail me. Thanks! 

Denis 

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:15:57 -0700 

From: (Edward Sandquist) 

Organization: Ajo Unified School District




C.E.D. SALE 

3 Single C.E.D. discs are on sale for $10 plus 

$2 postage for each disc ordered. Double discs are on 

sale for $5 each plus $2 for shipping for each disc 

ordered. 



For a Few Dollars More (Double Disc Set) 


Marty 

Dirty Harry 


One to One 

Jaws II 



Charly 



Jezebel 

Vice Squad 

Dark Victory 

Hombre 

An American Werewolf in London 

Halloween II 

Adventures of Robin Hood 

Psycho 

12 Angry Men 

Petrified Forest 

Avalanche 

Psycho II 

Night Porter 

Autobiography of Jane Pittman 

Graduation Day 

Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean 

Verdict (Double Disc Set) 

Coma 

Airport (Double Disc Set) 

Dracula 

Godfather Part II, (Double Disc Set) 

Friday the 13th, Final Chapter 

Goldiggers of 1933 

Silent Rage 

Hud

Jaws 3 


Towering Inferno (Double Disc Set) 

Duck Soup 


Prince and the Pauper 

Olivia 

Air Force 

White Heat 

Mirror Crack'd 

Hang'em High 

Pride and the Passion (Double Disc Set) 





Send your orders to: ED SANDQUIST 



Phone 520 387-4204 

Please note my new E-mail address.) 

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:47:38 -0700 



Subject: Wanted: Rocky Championship Collection Box and Poster 



I'm looking for the Rocky Championship Collection box as well as the poster of 

Rocky that came packaged inside. This boxed set consists of the RCA releases of 

Rocky I, II, and III which are identical to the discs RCA sold individually. I 

already have these three titles, hence my interest in just the box, although 

I'll buy or trade for the complete set just to get the box (email me for my 

trade list). 

The story behind this boxed set is a rather interesting one. RCA pressed vast 

quantities of monaural Rocky I's for the CED intro in 1981, and also pressed a 

lot of monaural Rocky II's. CBS came along and released Rocky I and II in 

stereo, leaving RCA stuck with their now undesirable mono inventory. In a 

classic example of miscommunication, both RCA and CBS released stereo versions 

of Rocky III at almost the same time, resulting in another inventory surplus. So 

the release of this boxed set was a means for RCA to eliminate their excess 

inventory of these three titles. 

Rocky IV also exists on CED as a rare 1986 release. Although this is a CBS/Fox 

title, it was actually pressed by RCA, as the CBS pressing plant had been closed 

for some time when it was released.

--Tom Howe 

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:53:06 -0700 



Subject: RCA VideoDisc Classifieds being updated 


Fellow CED'ers: 

If you have visted the RCA VideoDisc Classifieds linked at the CED Magic web 

site in the last couple days, you may have seen some HTML garbage code and no 

classified ads. The EPage service is revamping their web interface, and the 

problem appears to be related to the update. They are supposed to have this 

finished by August 1st, so check the site at that time. 

--Tom Howe 

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 07:08:28 -0400 

From: A_Hopper 



Subject: CED Player wanted 

I want to purchase a CED player (stereo model). Please send me the model 

number of the unit you have to sell along with the asking price. I only 

need one; however, I would purchase an additional one for parts.... 

Thanks, Al Hopper a_hopper@ix.netcom.com 

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 06:33:19 -0500 

From: Brian Nelson 


To: Tom Howe 



Tom, 

I can't remember if I sent you a note thanking your for your periodic 

mailing. It help me sell some video discs I was looking forward to 

selling prior to moving. I appreciate it. Thanks

Brian Nelson 

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:45:13 -0700 






PERFECT FOR C.E.D. USE PERFECT FOR C.E.D. USE 

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THIS UNIT IS A FIXED FOCUS VIDEO PROJECTOR THAT CAN PROJECT AN 

IMAGE OF 100 INCHES DIAGONALLY FROM APPROXIMATELY 14 FEET. ONE CAN CONNECT 

A C.E.D PLAYER, V.C.R., OR CABLE BOX TO THE ZENITH VP100 VIDEO PROJECTOR 

AND GET A LARGE VIDEO IMAGE COMPLETE WITH SOUND. THIS UNIT IS ON WHEELS 

SO YOU CAN PLACE IT EASILY THE RIGHT DISTANCE BETWEEN WALL OR PROJECTION 

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AJO, ARIZONA 85321 

PHONE 520 387-4204 

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:17:41 -0600 (MDT) 

From: GLAHE FRED R 

To: Tom Howe 

Subject: DVDs 


While at The Videostation, Colorado's largets VHS and Laser Disk rental 

store, I overheard a conversation between the owner and sales reps from 

Pioneer. The owner said that on DVD rentals the life expectancy of DVD 

disk is about a dozen rentals, because the DVD is easily scratched. 

Apparently the coating is thinner than that on the Laserdisk and perhaps 

the higher laser beam frequency is more sensitive to defects. 

P.S. Where can I get help on repairing a Pioneer PV-1000 Laserdisk 

player. It was made in 1983 and has a helium-neon laser tube. 

Thanks.

fred.glahe@colorado.edu 

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:38:10 -0700 



Subject: CED Rarity Survey 



The CED Magic web site has a rarity survey that I'm requesting all subscribers 

to complete. As mentioned in the FAQ, I'm working on a rarity rating for each 

title that will be added to the CED Title Database. My method of analysis 

(explained at the top of the survey form) fails for the 85 pairs of titles that 

have identical names. So the survey merely asks you to check off which 

version(s) of these titles you own. The survey can be found near the top of the 

home page at this URL: 

http://www.cedmagic.com 

Thanks, 

Tom Howe 

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 08:52:50 -0600 



Subject: DVD Scratches... 

Well, I don't know about scratches effecting DVD performance. The 

demo DVD I saw this weekend at Best Buy was all scratched up and 

playing just fine... I have plenty of problems with scratched Laserdiscs. 

For a person the was once against DVD, I am now starting to like it. The 

movies that you can get are unbelievable. I still want to get "Rock And 

Roll High School" on DVD. I haven't been able to find it and then there it 

was on DVD. Whatever those sales people were talking about, I don't 

know. DVD's with scratches seem to play just fine. 

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:06:56 -0400 

From: donald baraf 



I have 5 RCA VideoDisc players. 

I also have 400 discs. 

None of the players work. The discs are OK and have the usual glitches. 

My wife says that the discs are the best collection of movies that I 

have. So I really need to get at least one of the "400" model machines 

operational. 

I also have a new "400" needle that I bought in the waning days of CED. 

The main problems are (i)the machine will not "bight" the disc and 

engage and (ii)the transport will not take the disc in. 

Is there someone in the NY area who still know how to feed and care for 

these cute dinosaurs? 

Early adopters unite. You have nothing to lose but your money! 

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:43:31 -0500 



Since things seem kind of slow I'd like to open a topic for reader's discussion. 

Which films do you think look better in CED than any other format? 

Two that I would like to nominate are: 

"The Quiet Man" (Republic's "digital" [expensive] anniversary edition on laser 

looks dreadful. The colors are oversaturated and run together, while the CED 

looks very nice. 

"To Be or Not To Be" (The Benny/Lombard/Lubitsch version). VHS copies seem to 

have been mastered from 16mm prints while the CED is sharp and clear. 

Other films that looked terrible on laser originally (until they were replaced 

with better transfers) include: "The Thing" (1951) and "She Wore a Yellow 

Ribbon" (Pioneer definitely reproduced them from scratchy, incomplete 16mm 

prints); "The Searchers" and "The Wild Bunch" (current letterboxed laser 

editions are fantastic, but the pan & scans that were available for years did 

not do their sources justice--and don't forget, it was RCA & CED that originally 

restored "The Wild Bunch" to its director's cut).

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From: SCULPTORD5 

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:12:11 -0400 (EDT) 



hi,, 

i'd like to subcribe to your video disk thing,,,,i went 

to the thrift store to buy a cool VideoDisk that i had seen there on 

friday,,,,, when i got there,,they were gone! someone had bought them 

all.. hell! i have bad luck I want to cry now,,, 

Dan 

Sculptord5@aol.com 

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:32:18 -0700 

From: Neil Wagner 


To: CED Digest 

Subject: Re: Frozen Image in Tron 

WAY BACK ON Thu, 05 Dec 1996, Tom Howe wrote: 

>I noticed on side 2 of the movie Tron there is a mastering error where >the 

same image remains on screen for over a second, when it should >exhibit rapid 

motion. This occurs at 25 min. 26 sec. into side 2 just >as Tron kneels down to 

assist Flynn. I'm wondering if this occurs on >all Tron CED's, or if RCA 

remastered the disc to correct the error. 

I can now confirm that the same 'stutter' exists on my copy of the 

movie. Pretty goofy. Don't have the movie on any other format, so 

I don't know if it's unique to the CED. 

>While you're looking for this, check out a couple of interesting Easter >Eggs 

the Disney film makers snuck into this movie. On side 2 from 21:45 >to 21:48 a 

likeness of Mickey Mouse can be seen on the terrain below >the Solar Sailer, and 

on side 1 from 45:58 to 46:05 the music from the >arcade game Pac-Man can be 

heard as Sark is shouting "Get Them!". On >the letterboxed LaserDisc a small 

Pac-Man can also be seen on Sark's >display terminal, but this is cut off on the 

Pan-and-Scan CED. 

Man, I hate pan & scan. Both easter eggs are ones you really gotta 

be intent on finding. I still don't hear the Pac-Man sounds. :) 


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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:36:42 -0700 

From: Neil Wagner



Subject: Letterboxed CED's 

Just wondering which CEDs were released in the letterbox format 

besides the few that are mentioned in the CED FAQ. Anyone? 

(See my previous message for my opinion of pan & scan.) 


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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:42:30 -0700 






C.E.D. SALE 




ordered. 





Marty 

Dirty Harry 


One to One 

Jaws II 



Charly 



Jezebel 

Vice Squad 

Dark Victory 

Hombre 


Halloween II 


Psycho 

12 Angry Men 


Avalanche

Psycho II 

Night Porter 





Coma 


Dracula 




Silent Rage 

Hud 

Jaws 3 



Duck Soup 



Olivia 

Air Force 

White Heat 

Mirror Crack'd 

Hang'em High 









Phone 520 387-4204 


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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:58:40 -0700 




Subject: WANTED: "The Kids Are Alright" 

Subject line says it all. I want to buy the CED of "The Kids Are 

Alright." Anyone selling? 

Neil - nw@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:17:40 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: Worst side break 

A discussion previously about poor side breaks leads me to a movie I recently 

watched 2001 A Space Odyssey. The side break between one and two occurs in 

the middle of the ship landing on the moon in the middle of the "Blue Danube" 

when the next scene is in the meeting room and would have been the perfect 

place for a side break. In addition the side is only 36 minutes long and the 

laser disc of the same vintage has the break as they are flying to the 

monolith 12 min later and is also a good place for a break. Even more 

unusual. The ending crescendo of the "Blue Danube" ends before the meeting 

scene in the original laserdisc version, the Criterion version, the 

letterboxed version, and the anniversary CAV version. In the CED version 

(mono) the music is still ending as the photographer takes pictures. 

Speaking of sound abnormalities. In "The Seven Year Itch" the syncing of 

the voices to the characters speaking is all messed up especially in the 

opening scene in the train station 

Just some musings.... 

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To: Tom Howe 

Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:13:24 -0500 


X-pmrqc: 1 


---- CED Digest Entry ---- 

Let's make a deal people! I need to sell some of these, if you want 

to take more than a few I'll cut a better deal - I've already dropped 

prices some. 

Also, check my want list and we can trade as well.. 

Thanks for looking... Zach D. 

2001: A Space Odyssey Disk 2 Only $ 2.00 

Adam and the Ants. Stereo, Great Shape $ 6.00 

And God Created Woman Brigitte Bardot $ 4.00 

Airplane! The Movie $ 4.00 

Baffled Starring Leonard Nimoy! $ 4.00 

Barbarella Jane Fonda $ 5.00 

Black Stallion, The $ 3.00 

Blues Brothers Disk 2 Only $ 2.00 

Body Double Stereo, By Brian DePalma $ 5.00 

Bullitt McQueen, THE Car Chase $ 3.00

Catch 22 A Mike Nichols Film $ 4.00 

Coming Home Jane Fonda/Peter Voight 2 $ 3.00 

Commando Schwarezeneger, Stereo $ 5.00 

Creepshow The Movie $ 4.00 

Disney LGE Silly Symphonies Limited Gold Edition $ 5.00 

Disney Cartoon Parade Vol 2 $ 5.00 



Dr. Zhivago 2 $ 4.00 

Dracula Original Version $ 3.00 

Emmanuelle Soft Core Classic $ 4.00 

Empire Strikes Back, The $ 5.00 

Fistful of Dollars, A Eastwood $ 4.00 

Ghost Busters Stereo, Who You Gonna Call? $ 5.00 

Gotcha That Guy From ER $ 3.00 

Graduate, The Mike Nichols Film/Dustin Hoffman$ 4.00 

Gremlins Stereo $ 5.00 

Heaven Can Wait Warren Beatty $ 3.00 

Jesus of the Nazareth 4 Disk Set! Ziffereli Classic 4 $10.00 

Klute Jane Fonda Oscar Performance $ 4.00 

Loving Couples Susan Sarandon $ 3.00 

Magnificent Seven, The Disk 1 Only $ 2.00 

Megaforce Cheesey Tour De Force $ 3.50 

Monty Python & the Holy Grail Bring Out Your Dead! $ 5.00 

Odd Couple, The O.G. - Original Grumpies $ 4.00 

Oh, God! George Burns $ 3.00 

Owl and the Pussycat Streisand/George Segal $ 3.00 

Patton George C. Scott is... 2 $ 4.00 

Planet of the Apes Damn, Dirty Apes! $ 5.00 

Psycho Hitch $ 4.00 

Purple Rain Warner Stereo Disk $ 5.00 

Raging Bull DeNiro is... 2 $ 8.00 

Reds Warren Beatty 2 $ 3.00 

Seven Year Itch, The Marylin, Classic Pose on Case! $ 6.00 

Splash Stereo/Hanks and Hannah $ 5.00 

Star is Born, A Streisand/Kristoferson $ 3.00 

Star Wars $ 5.00 

Super Box XIV Steelers VS. Rams $ 4.00 

++++Teddy Pendergrass in London $ 4.00 

They Call Me Mr. Tibbs! Sydeny Portier $ 4.00 

Time Machine, The $ 4.00 

Treasure Island $ 3.00 

Wild Bunch, The Peckinpaw Classic 2 $ 5.00 

This batch is in great condition: 

Casablanca $ 5.00 

Clarence Darrow - Henry Fonda $ 5.00 

Cousin Cousine $ 4.00 

Henry V - Larence Olivier $ 5.00

Jailhouse Rock - Elvis Presley $10.00 

Reefer Madness - Cult Classic $ 6.00 

Rocky III, Mr. T! $ 4.00 

Simon and Garfunkle - Conert in the Park $ 7.00 

Trading Places - Eddie Murphy, Dan Akroyd $ 4.00 

Who's Afraid of Opera - Shrinkwrapped $ 5.00 

These discs were renters. Many are cosmetically a bit wrinkley, 

mainly on the small end label. 

Atlantic City $3.00 

Atlantic City $3.00 

Benji $3.00 

Black Stallion,The $3.00 

Catch 22 $3.00 

Chariot's of Fire $3.00 

Fast Times at Ridgemont High $3.00 

Flashdance $3.00 

High Road to China $3.00 

Jane Fonda Workout $3.50 

Lawrence of Arabia $4.00 

Logan's Run $5.00 

Mr. Mom $3.00 

Officer and a Gentleman $3.00 

Raiders of the Lost Arc $3.00 

Silkwood $3.00 

War Games $3.00 

Watership Down $4.00 

Young Frankenstein $3.00 

These I can get: $4-$5 - depending on how many you want! 

"10" 

12 O'clock High 

20,000 Leagues Under The Sea 

20,000 Leagues Under The Sea 

3 Days Of The Condor 

3 Stooges Vol I 

48 Hours 

48 Hours 

9 To 5 

9 To 5 

Abscence Of Malice 

Abscense Of Malice 

Adventures Of Robin Hood, The 

Against All Odds 

Airplane 

Airplane II 

Airplane II 

Airport

Alamo, The 

Alamo, The 

American Gigolo 

American Warewolf In London 

Amityville Horror, The 

Amityville II 

And Justic For All 

And Justic For All 

Anderson Tapes, The 

Angel Of H.E.A.T. 

Annie 

Annie (?) 2 

Any Which Way You Can 

Apple Dumpling Gang, The 

Apple Dumpling Gang, The 

Arsenic And Old Lace 

Arthur 

Avalanche 

Back Roads 

Bad News Bears 

Bad News Bears 

Barbarosa ? 

Barefoot Contessa 2 

Barry Manillow 

Beach Girls 

Bears And I 

Beast Within, The 

Beauty And The Beast 

Benji 

Best Friends 

Best Little Whore House In Texas 

Betsy 

Big Bad Mamma 

Big Chill 

Blame It On Rio 

Blazing Saddles 

Blowout 

Blue Lagoon 

Blue Lagoon, The 

Blue Thunder 

Blue Thunder 

Bob, Carol, Ted And Alice 

Body Double 

Born Free 

Bounty 

Bounty, The 2? 

Boys From Brazil, The 

Braindstorm 

Breaking Away 

Breakout

Breathless 

Bronco Billy 

Buddy Buddy 

Buddy Buddy 

Bugs Bunny/road Runner Movie, The 

Bullit 

Bullit 

Bullwinkle & Rocky & Friends, Vol. 2 (?) 

Bullwinkle And Rocky Vol II 

Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid 

Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid 

Cabaret 

Caddy Shack 

Candleshoe 

Candleshoe 

Cannery Row 

Carrier 

Cat Ballou 

Cat People 

Catch 22 

Change Of Season 

Changeling 

Changeling, The 

Charlie Brown Festival, A 

Charlie Brown Festival, Vol. 3 

Charlotte's Web 

Charlotte's Web 

Cheech And Chong Nice Dreams 

Cheech And Chong Nice Dreams 

China Town 

Chinatown 

Clash Of The Titans 

Cloak And Dagger 

Cold River 

Come A Horseman 

Coming Home 

Coming Home 

Coming Home 2 

Connonball Run, The 

Crackers 

Crimes Of Passion 

Cross Creek 

Cujo 

D.c. Cab 

Dark Crystal, The 

Dark Victory 

Dead Zone, The 

Death Hunt 

Death Wish ? 

Deathwish

Deep, The 

Defiant Ones, The 

Deliverance 

Devil And Daniel Mouse, The 

Dial M For Murder 

Diamonds Are Forever 

Diner 

Dirty Dozen 

Dirty Dozen, The 

Dirty Harry 

Diva 

Doctor Detroit 

Doctor Doolittle 

Doctor Doolittle 2 

Doctor No 

Doctor Zhivago 2 

Domino Principle, The 

Don't Look Now 

Dot And The Bunny 

Dracula 

Dracula 

Dragon Slayer 

Dragonslayer 

Dressed To Kill 

Dressed To Kill 

Duchess And The Dirkwater Fox, The 

Dumbo 

Easy Money 



Electric Horseman, The 

Escape To Witch Mountain 

Exposed 

Eye Witness 

Eyes Of Laura Marrs 

Final Conflict, The 

First Blood 

Fistfull Of Dollars 

Fog, The 

Footloose (Close Captioned) 

For Your Eyes Only 

For Your Eyes Only 

Fort Apache, The Bronx 

Four Musketeers, The 

Four Seasons, The 

Frances 

French Lieutenant's Woman, The 

>From Russia With Love 

Gandhi 2 

Gentlemen Prefer Blondes

Going Berserk 

Going Berserk 

Golden Bug, The (Not Full Title) 

Golden Pond 

Goldfinger 

Goldilocks And The Three Bears (Ftt) 

Goodbye Girl, The 

Gorky Park 

Gorky Park 

Graduate, The 


Great Escape 2 

Great Escape, The 2 

Great Locomotive Chase, The (?) 

Great Show On Earth, The 

Great Space Coaster, The 

Greatest Show On Earth, The 2 

Greatest Show On Earth, The 2 

Green Berets, The 

Green Berets, The 

Greystoke: The Legend Of Tarzan 2 

Gulliver's Travels 

Guns Of The Navarone 2 

Guns Of The Navarone 2 

Haloween Iii 

Hansel And Gretel 


He Knows Your Alone 

Heaven Can Wait 

Heidi 

Herbie Rides Again 

Herbie Rides Again 

History Of The World, Part 1 

Hobbit, The 

Hombre 

Hopscotch 

Hospital Massacre 

Hotel New Hampshire 

How To Beat The High Cost Of Living 

Howling 

Huckleberry Finn (Adventures Of?) 

Hug 

In Praise Of Older Women 

In-laws, The 

Incubus, The 

Invasion Of The Body Snatchers [1956] 

Invasion Of The Bodysnatchers (Newer Version) 

Invitation To A Gunfighter 

It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World 2 

Jack And The Beanstalk (Ftt)

Jagged Edge 

Jane Fonda Workout 

Jason And The Argonauts 

Jaws 

Jaws 3-D 

Jaws II 

Jezebel 

Journey To The Center Of The Earth 

Kelly's Heroes 




Kidnapped 

King Creole (Elvis) 

King Kong 2 

Kiss Me Goodbye 

Kiss Me Goodbye 

Kramer Vs. Kramer 

Lady Chatterly's Lover 

Lassie Rescue Rangers 

Laura 

Lenny 

Liar's Moon 

Lion, Witch, And The Wardrobe, The 

Little Red Riding Hood (Ftt) 

Live And Let Die 

Lonely Guy 

Long Goodbye 

Longest Yard, The 

Longest Yard, The 

Love At The Greek 

Love Bug 

M*a*s*h 

Magic 

Magic Pony, The 

Magnum Force 

Making Michael Jackson's Thriller 

Man Who (Loved Women, Would Be King, Came To Diner!)? 

Man With The Golden Arm 

Man With Two Brains 

Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh, The 

Mash 

Matilda 

Max Dugan Returns 

Max Dugan Returns 

Mechanic, The 

Meet Me In Saint Louis 

Midnight Cowboy 

Mildred 

Missing

Moby Dick 

Modern Problems 



Monsignor 

Moon Is Blue, The 

Moon Raker 2 

Moonraker 

Moses 2 

Mr. Mom 

Muppet Movie, The 

Murder By Death 

My Tutor 

My Tutor (?) 

Mysterious Island, The 

National Lampoon's Vacation 

Never Cry Wolf 

Never Say Never Again 

Never Say Never Again 2 

Night Games 

Night Shift 

Night Shift, The 

Nightingale (Ftt) 

Norma Rae 

Notorious 

Octopussy 

Octopussy 

Odd Couple 

Odd Couple, The 

Old Yeller 

Old Yeller 

Omen, The 

On Her Majesty's Secret Service 2 

One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest 2 

Pappilon 

Pappilon (?) 

Paradise 

Pennies From Heaven 

Pink Panther Strikes 

Pink Panther, The 

Pinochio 

Places In The Heart 

Police Academy 

Pollyanna 2 

Poltergeist 

Poltergeist 

Popeye Cartoons: Vol I 

Porky's 

Porky's 

Porky's Ii: The Next Day

Princess And The Pea (Ftt) 

Psycho II 

Pyscho 

Pyscho II 

Raiders Of The Lost Ark 

Rainbow Brite And The (??) 

Rapunzel 

Rear Window 

Reds 2 

Return Of The King 

Return Of The Pink Panther 

Revenge Of The Pink Panther 

Rich And Famous 

Rich And Famous 

Richard Pryor Live 

Rio Bravo 

Rio Bravo 

Risky Business 

Risky Business 

Road Games 

Robin Hood 

Rocky 

Rocky II 

Rocky Iii 

Romancing The Stone 

S.o.b. 

Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea 

Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea, The 

Sands Of Iwo Jima 

Savanah Smiles 

Savanah Smiles 

Scarface 2 

Sea Wolves 

Secret Of Nimh 

Seduction, The 

Seems Like Old Times 

Seven Brides For Seven Brothers 

Shaggy Dog 

Shamus 

Shane 2 

Sharky's Machine 

Shining, The 

Shoot The Moon 

Shootist, The 

Silent Partner, The 

Silkwood 

Silkwood 

Silkwood 

Silver Streak 

Sinbad And The Eye Of The Tiger

Slave Of The Cannibal God 

Sleeping Beauty 

Slumber Party '57 

Smokey And The Bandit 

Smokey And The Bandit 

Smurf's Magic Flute 

Snowy River 

Soldier's Story, A 

Some Like It Hot 

Songs Of Katy Elder 

Sons Of Katy Elder 

Sophie's Choice 

Sophie's Choice 

Sororiety Row 

Sound Of Music 2 

South Pacific 

Spiral Staircae, The 

Spy Who Loved Me, The 

Squirm 

Star Chamber, The 

Starman 

Sting, The 2 

Stir Crazy 

Stir Crazy 


Stranger Is Watching, A 

Stroker Ace 

Sudden Impact 

Sunshine Boys, The 

Supergirl 

Superman II 2 

Superman Iii 2 

Superman The Movie 2 

Superman The Movie 2 

Swamp Thing 

Swing Shift 

Sybil 

Sybil 2 

Table For 5 

Tales From Muppetland (Emmet Otter's Jug Band X-mas) 

Ten Commandments, The 

Tender Mercies 

Terms Of Endearment 2 

Tess 

That Championship Season 

The Shoot Horses Don't They? 

They All Laughed 

They Call Me Mr. Tibbs 

Thing, The 

Things Are Tough All Over

Things Are Tough All Over 

Three Stooges Videodisc, Vol. 2, The 

Thumbelina (Ftt) 

Thunderball 2 

To Be Or Not To Be 

Tommy 

Tootsie 

Towering Inferno 

Toy, The 

Toy, Thew 

Trading Places 

Trading Places 

Trapeze 

True Grit 

True Grit 

Twelve O'clock High 2 

Twilight Zone The Movie 

Unfaithfully Yours 

Urban Cowboy 2 

Verdict, The 

Verdict, The 2 

Vertigo 2 

Victor Victoria 

Victor/victoria 

View To A Kill 

View To A Kill 

Wargames 

Watership Down 

Westworld 

White Nights 2 

Wild Bunch Should Be 2 Disks 

Wild Bunch, The 

Winnie The Pooh And Friends ? 

Without A Trace 

Without A Trace 

Witness To The Prosecution 

World Of Henry Orient, The 

World's Greatest Lover, The 

Yellowbeard 

You Only Live Twice 

Young Doctors In Love 

Z 

Zapped 

Most wanted list: 

1 Pee-wee's Big Adventure 

2 Lolita (2) 

3 Rosemary's Baby (2) 

4 Warriors, The

5 Dog Day Afternoon, 

6 Rolling Thunder, 

7 Metalstorm: The Destruction of Jared-Syn 

8 Yor, the Hunter from the Future 

9 Shaft 

10 King of Comedy, The 

11 Hard Day's Night, 

12 I Spit On Your Grave 

13 Breakin' 

14 Beat Street 

15 Exorcist, The 

16 Weird Science 

TTYL, 

ZD 

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:15:14 +0300 




Subject: place an ad 


> Subject: sell my CEDs 

> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:00:46 +0300 

> From: sobel 

> To: ceds@teleport.com 

> 

> I am still trying to sell my 650 titles (l/3 are new, l/3 are double 

> discs) with three working 

> 400 players with remotes/owners manuals. I want to make a package 

> deal 

> and get these 

> out of my house. Please write to sobel@isracom.co.il 

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:26:07 -0700 


Organization: Home Copy


To: Tom Howe 


All the comments about easter-eggs and various mastering anomolies 

reminded me about the first time that the freeze-4frames was used to 

verify the presence of something in a movie. Freeze frame was either 

non-existant or very bad on VCR's in 1977. 

In 1977 a parody of Star Wars was released. It was called Hardware Wars 

by Ernie Fosselius. It has recently been released on video and I 

purchased a copy. In one of the scenes in the parody, the gang was 

looking out the front screen of the Millenium Falcon. Right in the 

middle of the screen was a large pair of dice, just like the ones in the 

'57 Chevy. You couldn't miss it. 

Just for gags in the lab we freeze framed every scene like the one in 

the parody and sure enough there they were a small pair of dice in the 

middle of the screen. As I recall the dice were only in the scene for a 

very short time. Subsequent scenes did not have the dice. 

I happen to enjoy a good parody and this is one of them. 

"May the Farce be with you." 

Ted Dudziak 

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:03:42 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: History of VideoDisc 

Picked up a book from amazon.com titled "The Business of Research- RCA and 

Teh VideoDisc" by Margaret B.W. Graham. It is an interesting story of the 

behind the scenes movement that ultimately led to the release and withdrawal 

of CED in the marketplace. One fact I previously did not know. I always 

thought that the diamond stylus had allowed increasing the groove density 

leading to 60 minutes per side. In fact RCA had been able to do this for 

several years but the sapphire stylus which only lasted for 50 hours broke 

even more frequently when designed to play the smaller grooves. They almost 

decided to release a 30 minute player which would play the 60 minute discs 

with a new cartridge, but decided against it. It is a fascinating book and 

was only 15.95 in soft cover. 

Terry Collins 

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:32:00 -0700 

From: Tom Howe


Subject: RE: Disc Fails to Load 


On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 Donald Baraf wrote: 

>The main problems are (i)the machine will not "bight" the disc and 

>engage and (ii)the transport will not take the disc in. 

Donald: 

Both problems are probably due to function motor drive belt failure. Here is the 

text of a web page detailing replacement of this belt. If you have web access, 

the site below has photos to accompany the text. 

--Tom Howe 

www.cedmagic.com 

Function Motor Drive Belt Replacement 

These instructions are for replacing the function motor drive belt on RCA's J 

and K series electric-loading CED players. Failure 

of this drive belt is the single most common reason why these players fail to 

operate. The function motor drive belt transfers the 

torque to load and unload the disc, so when it first begins to fail the player 

may eject caddies without unloading the disc, since 

the caddy wasn't drawn far enough inside to reach the latching mechanism. This 

drive belt also provides the torque necessary to 

rotate the function gear assembly to the various positions corresponding to 

Load, Play, Unload, and Off. So if the player, when 

turned on, takes a long time to enter Load mode where the access door is open 

and the LED display flashes L, then the belt is 

beginning to fail. It is not uncommon for a player that has been stored for a 

long time to never enter Load mode when turned on 

because the drive belt has completely failed and all the function motor can do 

is endlessly spin. All J and K series players use 

the same function belt, RCA Stock No. 157592, which corresponds to the more 

readily available PRB No. SCB3.6. If you 

have difficulty finding this belt, you can mail me a dollar to the address at 

the bottom of this document, and I'll send you one. 

(1) To begin installation, remove the two philips screws from the back of the 

cabinet top and remove the top by lifting from the 

back. Locate the function motor gear train in the left rear of the player as 

shown in figure 1. 

(2) The function motor gear train is partially concealed by a small black cover 

held in place by two philips screws corresponding

to the screw holes indicated in figure 2. Remove these screws and the gear 

cover, being careful not to lose the felt washer that 

fits over the 2nd reduction gear mounting shaft. 

(3) Slip the combined 2nd reduction gear and pinion off the mounting shaft, 

which will fully expose the 1st reduction gear and 

pulley as shown in figure 3. 

(4) If necessary, the combined 1st reduction gear and pulley can be slipped off 

its mounting shaft to free the old belt. Put this 

back on prior to installing the new belt. 

(5) Install the new belt by slipping it around the pulley, then stretching it up 

and over the function motor drive shaft. 

(6) Place the combined 2nd reduction gear and pinion onto its mounting shaft 

making sure it seats all the way down, so the 

mounting shaft slightly protrudes. 

(7) Place the felt washer over the protruding end of the 2nd reduction gear 

mounting shaft, then replace the gear cover, making 

sure the felt washer doesn't fall off before the screws are fully seated. 

(8) Replace the cabinet top by holding it at a 15 degree angle while aligning 

the front edge before lowering the rear to the closed 

position. 

(9) Replace the two philips screws to secure the cabinet top. 

Copyright (c) 1996 by Tom Howe, P.O. Box 5604, Portland, Oregon 97228 U.S.A. 

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 02:54:44 -0700 (PDT) 


To: Tom Howe 



Here's a good reason to have "The Bette Midler Show", from Embassy Home 

Entertainment, which is a shot-on-video special for HBO from 1976. The 

beginning has the "Special Presentation" intro that HBO used during that 

time, it has some really cool music! I recently played the intro over and 

over about 10 times, it is just so cool! I think HBO still shows their 

famous movie intro (the metal HBO logo flying in space) but this one is

so dated I'd be surprised if they still used it. HBO is like CED 

videodiscs in a way because to me it's something that served a useful 

purpose when it was new but is now no longer needed. I had it for a while 

just because my roommate wanted it, and I hardly ever watched it. They 

take forever to get new movies when they've already been available on 

laserdisc for a long time, and they never show anything in letterbox 

format! They sometimes put voice-overs over the end credits too, this is 

completely unacceptable and led to my dumping cable altogether! I 

remember when it was cool just to see recent movies "on TV" with no 

commercials, but now that there's so much prerecorded stuff out there 

it's just not necessary to have movie channels like this. Lots of people 

have at least 2 VCRs now too, so they don't even need HBO to record 

movies from when they can just copy rental tapes. 

What amazed me about the Bette Midler special was that it was in true 

stereo! Stereo TV was miles away in 1976, I don't even think they did FM 

simulcasts back then either (before they had stereo TV I remember a lot 

of cable and regular TV shows, mostly music-oriented, being simulcast on 

FM stations so you could hear them in stereo.) So does anyone know the 

story on why they did this in stereo, and who actually got to hear it 

when it was first shown? 

I have a few other videotaped shows on CED that I'm amazed are in stereo, 

Neil Diamond's "Love at the Greek", which looks like it was made for 

network TV since there are fade-outs for commercial breaks, was also made 

in 1976 and is in stereo. But what really wows me is "Who's Afraid of 

Opera," which there are 3 volumes of, which was produced for television 

shot on video in 1973 and is in stereo! What's the story on this one? 

BTW, I have some "phony" stereo CEDs too, "The First Barry Manilow 

Special" is labeled "stereo" and has a stereo signal, but is really in 

mono. That was also a TV special, from 1977. "Fraggle Songs," a 

collection of songs from the HBO show "Fraggle Rock," is labeled Stereo 

but is really in that processed synthesized stereo that a lot of TV 

stations used during mono shows when stereo TV first came out (thank god 

most of the stations here quit doing that! It was annoying as heck!) If 

you listen to just the left channel of this disc, the sound is mostly 

low-pitched and the right channel is higher-pitched. The CED as well as 

the first release in other formats of Disney's "Pinocchio" uses another 

kind of this synthesized stereo. 

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:25:24 -0600 



Subject: 2 CED Players For Sale!!! 

-2 CED Players For SALE - 

SJT - 090 $30.00 

Very basic model. Has play/pause, fast forward and stop functions. 

works great!!!

SJT -090 $15.00 

Unit is missing the face plate but I have labeled the buttons. It works 

great!!! 

I just found a Hitachi VIP1000 model CED player for $5.00 at a flea market 

in mint condition. Never used, never taken out of the box, the needle 

guard and shipping screws were still in place and it works great. So, 

now I have two CED players for sale. 

Later, 

Dave. 

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:28:08 -0400 

From: Jay Jones 

Organization: @Home Network 


To: Tom Howe 

Subject: SJT 400 takes the disc, but will not play 

Jay Jones writes, 

My SJT 400 will take in a disc, but then it "hangs up." It won't play 

and it will not eject. Any ideas about how to solve this problem? 

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:16:26 -0700 

From: Rene & Richard 



Subject: Used CED disks 

Does anyone deal in the buying and selling of CED disks. I have lots of 

movies I'd like to sell. 

Write me at martucci@mother.com 

- Richard 

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:51:40 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: More CED's For Sale 

RCA SelectaVision VideoDiscs for sale - 

$15 each (ppd)

2010 

THE BIRDS 

BLUE HAWAII (Elvis) 

THE BREAKFAST CLUB 

CREEPSHOW 

FRANKENSTEIN (1931) 

GREAT WHALES & SHARKS (National Geographic) 

PLANET OF THE APES (RCA release) 

QUEST FOR FIRE 

TIME BANDITS 

WAR OF THE WORLDS 

THE WIZARD OF OZ 

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 97 01:14:55 UT 

From: "GEORGE BUTTS" 


Subject: RCA Selectavision SJT 300 Not Playing 

I recently purchased an RCA Selectavision SJT 300 at a thrift store. I would 

be very grateful if someone with some expertixe on these machines could give 

me some advice on how to get it running. When I brought it home and took off 

the top I discovered the loading mechanism belt was gone and the CED turntable 

had come out of position. I replaced the belt and put the turntable back in 

what I am assuming is it's proper position. When I powered the machine up it 

went into the L mode. The front door opened enough to easily insert a CED. I 

inserted the CED and it seemed to load properly. At this point, with the top 

off so I could observe what's going on, the following happened; 

1. As soon as CED loaded the needle moves into position over the CED, the - - 

indicator came on and for a short time the Side 1 indicator came on. After 

about three seconds the Side 2 indicator also came on. So, the window read - 

- and both side 1 & side 2 lights were on. 

2.If I press PLAY nothing happens. 

3.If I press REJECT the needle moves back off the CED, but nothing more 

happens. - - indicator is still on, Side 1 & 2 still on. 

4.If I press POWER off, the machine powers down. When I press POWER on, the 

needle moves into position again. All indicators the same, - - in window and 

Side 1 & 2 lights lit. REJECT once again moves the CED back. 

5.If I manually move the large gear on the left side of the machine (where the 

belt that controls the loading mechanism is) I can get the front door to open 

and the L load light to come on. 

6.With the load light on nothing happens when I press REJECT. Nothing happens 

when I press PLAY. Nothing happens if I press POWER once. However, when I 

press POWER a second time the front door closes, the needle moves into 

position, the - - lights come on, the side 1 & 2 lights come on and I'm right 

back where I started from. 

7. The CED never spins. I can't get it to go into the play mode and I can't 

get it into the Unload mode. I now have the CED stuck in the machine. 

8. All gears seem to be in excellent condition, no rods are broken or bent, 

can anyone tell me what I might try to get the machine functioning properly? I

would appreciate any advice. Thank you. 

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From: starr33 

Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:57:10 -0700 



Subject: cleaning discs 

Is there any way of cleaning discs without causing permanent damage? 

Possibly to cut down on some of the skipping that seems to be a major 

problem with ced technology. 

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From: OCCJ 

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:47:06 -0400 (EDT) 



I would like to recieve you weekly updates. I have many titles as well. 

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From: Robert.Pugliese 

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:02:04 -0700 




looking for a player 

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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 16:05:50 -0700 






C.E.D. SALE 




ordered.





Marty 

Dirty Harry 


One to One 

Jaws II 



Charly 



Jezebel 

Vice Squad 

Dark Victory 

Hombre 


Halloween II 


Psycho 

12 Angry Men 


Avalanche 

Psycho II 

Night Porter 





Coma 


Dracula 




Silent Rage 

Hud 

Jaws 3 



Duck Soup 



Olivia 

Air Force 

White Heat 

Mirror Crack'd

Hang'em High 









Phone 520 387-4204 


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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:05:30 -0600 




The two SJT-090 players that I had for sale earlier are sold as of 

now...... I will keep you posted on any changes but as of now they are 

sold. 

Later, 

Dave. 

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 06:51:41 -0700 




Subject: WANTED: "The Kids Are Alright" 

Subject line says it all. I want to buy the CED of "The Kids Are 

Alright." Anyone selling? 


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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:56:31 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: CED's For Sale 


$12 each (ppd) 

THE BIRDS 



CREEPSHOW 

FRANKENSTEIN (1931) 




ROAD WARRIOR 

TIME BANDITS 

WAR OF THE WORLDS 

YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN 

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:16:55 -0700 



Subject: Software Downloads at CED Magic 



There is a new section at the home page of the web site that contains software 

downloads. Two downloads are presently available. One is a version of the CED 

Title Database for PDA's running the Newton Operating System. The other is a 

Microsoft Excel Macro that takes a list of CED Uniform Product Codes either 

scanned or typed into the macro, and from this generates a list of titles that 

correspond to the UPC's. 

--Tom Howe 


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CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 39 9/27/97

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:02:22 -0700 



Subject: VideoDisc Print Ads 



I'm collecting magazines containing CED ads with the intent of finding an 

example of all the different ads that were published. Another collector just 

emailed me with one of these, so I'm requesting posts to CED Digest noting the 

publication, issue, and page for any ads containing CED players or discs. Here 

are the ones I'm presently aware of: 

Life, Nov '81, p. 116-- Sears 5478 player 

Life, Nov '81, p. 125-- RCA SFT100W player 

National Geographic, Oct '81, Front Ad Section-- Sears 5474 player 

National Geographic, April '83, Front Ad Section-- RCA SGT250 player 

These are all the CED ads that ever appeared in National Geographic, which was 

easy to check with all advertising being either in the front or in the back of 

the magazine. 

--Tom Howe 

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From: DPC16 

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:50:02 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: The Future of CED's 

As it has been over a decade since the first 'CED' player first rolled 

off the assembly line and many have been intreagued and mystiqued by it. As 

well since RCA Corporation is no longer an entity being bought out by General 

Electric and then subsidized to Thompson Consumer Electronics the world of 

the 'CED' has slowly decreased in size to near extinction. Many at Thompson 

Consumer Electronics (TCE) have never heard of the 'CED' concept perhaps due 

to the time that has passed since the systems were in manufacture. 

Since the employees or perhaps even the employers at TCE have never 

heard of the 'CED' concept or do not want to remember, it might be possible 

to join together with fellow 'CED' enthusiasts to purchase the rights to the

design of the systems and perhaps even the Disc Stamping Unit that in myth is 

stored at TCE. Imagine what could be done, if all of the 'CED' enthusiasts 

were to join together and give rebirth to the 'CED' concept. 

Many believe that failure of the 'CED' was the invention of Japan Victor 

Company's VHS Deck, however this is a false truth. For example Betamax Video 

Recorders and Players were better in video quality except for the length, 

however they were under sold by VHS due to bad marketing strategies. This 

applies to RCA and other manufacturers of the 'CED' players and discs. If 

'CED' enthusiasts and users were to unite and purchase the rights as well as 

the equipment could accomplish amazing feats. 

Some would say that the purchase of 'CED' system rights would not be 

feasilble for one person or perhaps a few. Yet there are not just one or a 

few who use the 'CED' systems. 

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:52:44 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: The Future of CED's - Part Two 

I ask all my fellow CED enthusiasts to join me in this cause. I value 

your comments and feedback on this issue. Please tell on this EMagazine. 

Daniel P. Cayea 

Telecom Technologies 

P & O Systems 

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From: "John Irwin Leonard" 

To: 

Subject: Simple(?) Repair Advice For RCA 

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:43:18 -0400 


X-Priority: 3 


Hello everyone, 

First of all, I would like to thank Tom for his CED site. It has been 

informative and most interesting. The links to other sites are also very 

helpful. It is because of his site that I have an interest in CED 

technology and may start an active collection of discs (I have only five thus 

far). 

I have two questions regarding my two players to which I was hoping to get 

answers. 

I recently picked up an RCA, SFT 100 W (I already had a Zenith player, but 

wanted to compare the differences and maybe use the Zenith as a spare).

It seems to be in good condition, but the turntable does not rise when the 

door is closed (lever moved up from Load to Play). It does spin when the 

lever is brought down from Off to Play (with a disk already having been 

previously loaded), but it still remains at the base position, maybe 1/4" 

below the disk. I need to know what may be operating incorrectly / need 

repair, how to remove the turntable (if necessary), etc. 

Regarding the Zenith, it works fairly well, but stutters consistently at 

certain positions of the counter, mostly between 30 and 40. When I say that 

it stutters I mean that the video and audio jump slightly forward, sometimes 

losing a word or two of the dialogue, and sometimes this stuttering repeats 

several or more times before the play settles back to normal. [By the way, 

the Zenith's configuration/design is very much like the RCA, and they take 

the same stylus cartridge]. 

I thought this problem might be due to a slipping stylus-transport motor belt 

(my phrase, it is the small belt driving the worm gear assembly) or maybe to 

uneven resistance as the stylus transport assembly is moved slowly forward 

(suddenly encountering less resistance, and thus the lurching forward and 

skipping of small segments of the audio/video). I figured that perhaps the 

worm gear or gear train might need lubrication to solve this, but don't know 

which type lube to use and how sparingly it should be applied, etc. 

Any insight anyone can provide will be most appreciated! Thank you. 

Best Regards, 

--- 

John -- jleonard@csc.com 

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:38:33 -0400 (EDT) 

From: Larry Scott 

To: Tom Howe 

Subject: Pioneer cartridge laservision system? 


I apologise for asking another laserdisc-related question in this CED 

magazine, but again I feel this would be the best place to get a 

knowledgeable answer: 

My friend has a Pioneer laserdisc player he picked up used somewhere, and 

he's looking to possibly sell it. It is a large unit, that plays both 

laserdiscs and CD's. It also has an opening on the bottom left where some 

form of cartridges can be installed, but he has none of these cartridges

with the unit. He thinks there may be a cartridge that allows the player 

to play turbografx-16 software.. but he's not sure. I've heard of a 

Pioneer unit called a "Laseractive" player.. Would this be such a beast, 

and if so, what capabilities does it have? Unfortunately I don't have a 

model # handy, but I'll try to get it next time I'm over there. Also, how 

hard is it to find the cartridges this unit uses? 

Thanks.. 

Larry 

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:47:35 -0600 



Subject: CED Movie For Trade!!! 

I would like to trade the CED movie "Ordinary People" for another CED 

movie. This is a 2 disc movie and basically I don't like it that much. I 

thought that someone out there might like this movie and I would like to 

make a fair trade. The movie is in good condition. So, send me your 

offers.... I figure that a CED for a CED is a fair trade. 

Send me an offer of any movie you are willing to trade... However, here 

are some CED's I would like to trade for...... 

TRON 

Rock And Roll High School 

Surf 2 


But, basically just send me the best offer that you can.... 

I will contact the person with the movie that I am interested in..... 

Later, 

Dave. 

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:40:33 -0400 (EDT) 



Subject: Question stylus... 


Regarding defective Stylus Cartridges... 

I have a fair amount of stylus cartridges from the SGT series and SJT 

series players which are defective.. I have been keeping them.. I would 

like to know how to recondition them? Some techniques have been suggested

to me by others. People who have experience with these things.. One 

method described to me regarding the bending of the end of the stylus 

slightly above the stylus tip up above the area where the copper ribbon 

contacts the end of the stylus... I have been told by several people that 

when nothing else works.. that this sometimes brings life back to the 

cartridge when you've got nothing else to loose. 

Which brings me to the question?? What other techniques are others 

aware of that restores or repairs a stylus??? Surely, there must be 

"someone" who knows of a method, or a technique that is workable... 

It seems perfectly logical to me that there is indeed a way. It seems 

somewhat obvious that there would be some sort of manipulation, or 

repairing technique of some sort..... Would anyone out there care to 

enlighten everyone else????? 

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:53:43 -0700 (PDT) 


To: Tom Howe 



I would be all for becoming a "part-owner" of what remains of the 

patented system, just so that whatever equipment still exists (like the 

disc-pressing unit) is taken care of instead of thrown out as "junk". I 

still think the most important future consideration is making sure 

there's enough parts to keep the existing players working for as long as 

possible. It WOULD be really cool to be able to make a few new discs just 

for fun, but I don't know what practical use that would serve ("Men in 

Black" on CED???) Remember the format died because there WAS no practical 

use for it, since you already had laserdiscs, and even tapes, that were 

better quality than CED. But that's the reason I like it so much :) 

Is there anyone with graphics capabilites and a lot of free time on their 

hands who would want to make pictures of what the covers of current 

movies might look like on CED? I could already imagine "The Lion King" 

complete with the red and yellow circle around the picture that RCA's 

Disney movies all had. I have a picture someone made of what the Jurassic 

Park laserdisc cover would have looked like if they still used the "MCA 

DiscoVision" label! 

I've also wondered if CEDs were still being made today if they would have 

made the caddies transparent, like most audio cassette packaging is now. 

I also wonder if they would've eventually put stereo signals on every 

disc regardless of whether or not the movie was really in mono; I'm kind 

of annoyed that the mono films with the later RCA opening didn't have 

that in stereo. (When one TV station here started broadcasting in stereo, 

they turned the signal on ONLY for stereo programs, and kept it off the 

rest of the time! They often forgot to turn it on sometimes too, they 

finally kept it on all the time after I complained!) 

One more thought about the magic word "Digital": The cover of Gone with

the Wind says "Digitally Enhanced for Stereo", and the back cover of 

Purple Rain mentions the album is available on "Compact Digital Discs". I 

have a Columbia House 8-track of the 1982 version of "Fantasia" (where 

they re-recorded all the music) which says "New Digital Recording" on the 

cover, the only 8-track I've ever seen to have that word on it! 

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To: Tom Howe 

Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:17:36 -0500 



Hi... 

This is an automatic reply from ZACHD 

As of Friday, October 3rd I will be on my way to sunny 

Deleware for a weeks vacation. I will be back on Wednesday, October 

the 15th. 

If we have a pending deal, please do not panic!! I apologize 

for the inconvenience that will occur from me not being here 

to package and ship whatever it is we may have pending. I only get 

to take some time off once a year, so please bare with me until I get 

back. 

You can email me at : WSMITHIV@UDEL.EDU 

I will check that 1 or 2 times while gone and would be glad 

to hear from any of you guys. 

Thanks and enjoy your day, week, and month. 

Zach D. 

TTYL, 

ZD 

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 17:53:39 -0400 

From: Mark Fisher 



Subject: selling 5000 ced disc. 

Selling 5000 ced disc 

I've got over 5000 disc to sell. Pls send your want list. The more 

disc then the better. I have to drive a round trip of 5 hrs to get to

the storage location on the weekends to pick them up... so the more 

orders I get in the more I can get them picked out and justify my trip 

(Gas, Time, Work, Wear and tear on me and the Car). 

I am trying to put together and inventory sheet of what I got.. It 

will take a while, because it will be very tedious, and meticulous to 

do. That will take some time.. (and work) 

I'm asking $6 a disc 

'''''''''' $10 for new sealed (shrink wrapped) discs 

I will try to figure a way to give a better deal for those who order 

Large numbers of disc. (I'm still figuring that out) 

I've got dupes of certain titles... 

Many dupes of others.. 

the buyer pays for the shipping... 

If some people want 20 disc picked at random (and sent out in a box) 

I could do that to (if someone wanted that) 

I'll try to work with you the best I can.. 

Sent your list. 

ph #423-524-4143 or e-mail me... I work and go to school so leave a 

message on my machine if you have to... thanx.......... 

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:31:52 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: The Future of CED's * Part Three 

Dear Fellow CED Enthusiast's, 

As in the last CED Digest, I stated there being ways to help bring back the 

CED. If you missed that article, there is a brief and revised edition below. 

Join me, Daniel P. Cayea, Operations Officer at Telecom Technologies 

Incorporated in this almost futile fight. Write me on how to send donations, 

write or call Thompson Consumer Electronics, even better call or write 

General Electric who bought out RCA Corporation in 1987, and we will 'Bring 

this good thing back to life!' One thing that I have learned from past 

experience from other entertainment medias is that if complains enough, they 

eventually give in to demand. I will try to keep you posted as events 

unfold. 


Telecom Technologies Incorporated 

2841 First Street 

Lyon Mountain, New York 

The CED Future 

The capacitance electronic disc or ced as it is known has been a long 

forgotten technology to many who were once aware of it. It has long been

obsolete since it was stopped being manufactured in 1984 by RCA Corporation. 

Although RCA Corporation is long gone, as well with the CED dream that the 

company carried, there are however many persons who still have CED machines 

and the discs that go with them. They are abandoned, with no one to turn to 

ever. 

Since RCA stopped manufacture and they were bought out by General Electric, 

users of CED discs and machines had no place to turn since GE or Thompson 

Consumer Electronics (The GE subsiduary that controls RCA today.) do not 

support CED. However this can change and will change if CED users join 

together. 

VHS, Laserdisc, and Satellite Television have taken today's market by 

storm leaving little or no room for obsolete medias such as Beta, CED, and 

even 

reel-to-reel players an recorders. With these new thecnologies out there 

today 

who wants and old and potentially outdated system like CED. Even with this 

truth 

there are least 200,000 people in the United States who have CED players that 

are still functioning today. How long will they last? This is the question 

that has 

long eluded many, since neither GE or Thompson will provide support or parts 

for 

these machines, in time they will eventually wear out. It has been rumored 

that 

before RCA Corporation was bought out, they had compiled a large stock of 

replacement parts and needles. This is true, but the supply is dwindling and 

will 

(estimated by the year 2005 at minimal usage) soon be out. How exactly will 

this 

be stopped? At the current time it cannot be stopped. 

The only way that this diminishing supply of CED parts and supplies can 

be restocked is to find someone to manufacture the parts and supplies. No 

one 

carries or supplies them anymore. This maybe a truth for now but can soon 

change. The estimated 200,000 CED users left could join together to create a 

financial fund a purchase the rights to the capacitance electronic disc 

system, 

including disc manufacturing stampers. Most people would think that this is 

an 

insane act, if one person would attempt to purchase the rights, they would be 

correct However 200,000 people could accomplish such a feat with no trouble 

whatsoever. So it is only a matter of time when CED user's join together to 

re-establish the use of CED into the entertainment world. 

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:54:20 -0400 

From: donald baraf 


To: Tom Howe 

Subject: Re: CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 40

OK as a hobby it's fun. But the quality is really lousy. Why would 

anyone want to spend money to press discs that don't have half the 

quality of a laserdisc or a DVD? I'd join in just to get someone to fix 

the machine since I have a bunch of them and a bunch of discs that I 

can't play. Would love to hear from you if you get any serious replies. 

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:38:38 -0700 



Subject: RE: Pioneer LaserActive 


Larry: 

I recently put up a web page on the Pioneer LaserActive system for another 

project I'm working on. This consists of a photo of the CLD-A100 player and 

Pioneer's intro press release from 1993. Here's the URL: 

http://www.teleport.com/~ceds/tech-info/laseractive-press-release.html 

This press release bears a strong resemblence to RCA's initial output on the CED 

System in 1981; i.e. much higher expectations than what actually came to pass. 

By 1995 LaserActive was dead and the local Incredible Universe sold off their 

players for $299 which included the Sega PAC, Pyramid Patrol Mega LD, Disney's 

Fantasia Box Set, and an 8" LaserActive promotional disc. The LaserActive titles 

were originally $120 or $180 (3-D releases), and these eventually got reduced to 

$30. The basic player was widely available through liquidators like Damark for a 

while, but I believe they are all gone now. The Sega PAC is by far the most 

common, and in addition to the TurboGraphx and Karaoke PAC's, Pioneer also 

released a PAC-PC1 for computer interfacing. 

In the end, only three LD-ROM titles and fifteen Mega LD titles were released, 

with the two 1995 releases, "Blue Chicago Blues" and "Goku" being quite rare. I 

had a very difficult time locating "Goku", which is a shame, since this title 

really showcases what LaserActive was capable of when a lot of effort was 

devoted to the programming (a hint to DVD developers). 

--Tom Howe 

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:11:49 -0500 


MIME-Version: 1.0

To: Tom Howe 


Daniel Cayea wrote: 

I felt your letter required a reality check...especially for those who 

think this idea a valid one. 

> The CED Future 

> 

> The capacitance electronic disc or ced as it is known has been a long 

> forgotten technology to many who were once aware of it. It has long been 

> obsolete since it was stopped being manufactured in 1984 by RCA Corporation. 

> Although RCA Corporation is long gone, as well with the CED dream that the 

> company carried, there are however many persons who still have CED machines 

> and the discs that go with them. They are abandoned, with no one to turn to 

> ever. 

> Since RCA stopped manufacture and they were bought out by General Electric, 

> users of CED discs and machines had no place to turn since GE or Thompson 

> Consumer Electronics (The GE subsiduary that controls RCA today.) do not 

> support CED. However this can change and will change if CED users join 

> together. 

How? I have read in the FAQ that RCA expected to sell 500,000 units in 

their first year, and sold that many by the time they cancelled the 

format. The problems you have to contend with, namely, are the multiple 

style styluses used in the various manufacturer's players (I own both a 

Toshiba VP100, and a Hitachi player, both use different style 

cartridges). Why would RCA want to even consider resupporting a format 

that is over 15 years old, and hasn't been sold for more than 10? What's 

the point? How many people have junked their players since then? How 

many people that respond to the petition will actually buy supplies? The 

sole purpose of a company is NOT to supply parts for a hobbiest. Read 

that last sentence again. The sole purpose of a company *IS* to make 

money. There is little possibility for RCA to make money on the CED, in 

fact, they never did. Why should they extend their disaster? 

> VHS, Laserdisc, and Satellite Television have taken today's market by 

> storm leaving little or no room for obsolete medias such as Beta, CED, and 

> even 

> reel-to-reel players an recorders. With these new thecnologies out there 

> today 

> who wants and old and potentially outdated system like CED. Even with this 

I think you just answered your question about whether RCA will decide to 

support CED again. It's about as futile as an owner of a TI99/4A 

expecting Texas Instruments to manufacture software for their computer 

again.

The only way that this diminishing supply of CED parts and supplies 

can 

> be restocked is to find someone to manufacture the parts and supplies. No 

> one 

> carries or supplies them anymore. This maybe a truth for now but can soon 

> change. The estimated 200,000 CED users left could join together to create a 

> financial fund a purchase the rights to the capacitance electronic disc 

> system, 

> including disc manufacturing stampers. Most people would think that this is 

> an 

> insane act, if one person would attempt to purchase the rights, they would be 

> correct However 200,000 people could accomplish such a feat with no trouble 

> whatsoever. So it is only a matter of time when CED user's join together to 

> re-establish the use of CED into the entertainment world. 

Two problems I see are immediately evident with acquiring the disc 

stamping machine...and this will become evident to you as well if you 

read the information on the CED magic page regarding the manufacturing 

of CEDs. 

First, there's a LOT more that goes into "stamping" a CED. First, you 

must have a metal master, this master is plated with another metal 

(zinc, I believe?). Where do I buy these? The first step in the 

production of a CED is to have a master cut on an enormous cutting 

recorder, using a one-inch master videotape (or some other high quality 

format). The master is tested, then a mold is made from the master. THEN 

the actual pressing takes place. After the pressing is done, the discs, 

which ARE STILL NOT PLAYABLE, must be doped with carbon (this is where 

the capacitance, in capacitance electronic disc comes from) in a special 

type of tank. Now, the final steps theoretically could be dropped (i.e. 

applying silicone lube and putting them in a protective caddy). 

The second problem with your argument is that all of the above I have 

mentioned is beyond the scope of any CED enthusiast. The process 

requires a clean room. Metal discs used to form the master can't be 

purchased (at least not feasably), and on top of that, if ANY copies of 

say, Mars Attacks, have to be approved by the intellectual owners of 

that property. 

While I agree that your idea sounds fantastic, and I would love to see 

something like this happen...there's just no way that something like 

this could be feasable to a group of hobbyists. It would be a nice piece 

to a museum collection, but beyond that it's not very practical. Think 

about it: there were only two companies producing CEDs when they were 

available, RCA and CBS, obviously other companies considered it a flop. 

*Geoff!* 

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From: DPC16

Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:28:15 -0400 (EDT) 


Subject: The CED Future, Part IV 



Part IV, Finance, Prospective, & Use 

One could wonder why exactly spend money on an obsolete system when 

there are other better systems out there. It is not a matter of better, it 

is a matter 

of nostalgia and want. Of course in no comparison is CED greater than 

Laserdisc 

or the newly developed (D)digital (V)idea (D)isc. However it has to be asked 

what would the CED system be like today. For example, since IBM made their 

first personal computer in 1981 the capacity and reliability of diskettes has 

increased. This of course has to be taken into effect with any disc, pretty 

much, 

including the CED. Since the development of the disk by IBM in 1981, the 

capacity and reliability has more than tripled and is continuously 

increasing. 

How exactly does this apply to CED? Even in the slightest you might ask. 

When RCA finally released the system in 1981 for public use, the capacity 

of the disc was 60 minutes (30 minutes per side). I have postulated a system 

called E-CED (Enhanced Capacitance Electronic Disc), that coheres to the same 

theories and works just as the floppy disk does. In realistic comparison if 

RCA 

Corporation would not have been bought out by General Electric, that the 

capacity of the CED would be 6 hours per disc (3 hours per side). This due 

to the 

inevitable increase of the density of grooves on the disc. As well as with 

the 

enhancement of the stylus that would of eventually taken place. Since RCA 

was 

bought out and no future development occurred while other development in 

almost in the same field did, it would be easy to enhance the CED now. This 

strikes another question. How could we enhance and how could it be paid? 

Compared to other systems in 1984, CED was ahead of VHS and just 

behind Laserdisc. Now in 1997 it is slightly behind VHS, way behind 

Laserdisc, 

and astronomically behind, DVD. Of course think of this, the CED Player in 

comparison with a Laserdisc player has fewer complex components. Replace 

each simple component with a more complex component and a better system 

made. Anyone with the proper technological and electronics skill and 

training 

could improve this system to a point in which it is better than VHS and 

Laserdisc again. In all admission it would be difficult perhaps even 

impossible 

to enhance the CED system to a point in which it would be better than DVD. 

Even with this there are still some of you who are still skeptical about this

and 

have certain beliefs. 

There are indeed some who state that the reason why the CED failed was 

that there was no practical use. True? No. This is false. The CED failed, 

not 

physically, but economically because of weak marketing strategies. One could 

sell small white plastic blocks that have no apparent use if they are 

properly 

marketed. It is a known fact that RCA Corporation spent more time working on 

quality equipment than marketing it. (If only all companies were like this.) 

It is 

a personal opinion that RCA did a great job on the development of the system, 

yet they didnít have the best resources for marketing in which that is why 

they 

failed. Getting back to the original notion of practicality, the CED was 

relatively 

practical and it did have a use, it was just not the most properly marketed 

system at the time. RCA Corporation spent most of their time developing 

rather 

than making the system look good for purchase. 

Those who have technological and electronics training, I ask you to 

contact me with your thoughts and suggestions on how to further develop the 

CED system or enhance the performance of the current systems by emailing me 

at: dpc16@aol.com or writing me at: 


P & O Systems 


Lyon Mountain, New York USA 12952-0090 

During the next of issue of ëCED Digestí, I will discuss the suggestions that 

have 

been sent to me by those of you, as well as some information on the purchase 

of 

the Disc Stamping Press by Thomson Consumer Electronics. 

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:43:29 -0500 (CDT) 

From: "Jason P. Ramsey" 


Subject: News Letter Ad 


I am looking to buy a good (working) player. One with remote, one of the 

later models. Also looking for Return of the Jedi, Disney titles, James 

Bond movies, and any other good movie. 

Thanks, 

Jason 

ramsejp@mail.auburn.edu

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Subject: CED Revival 

I read with some interest the effort of some to revive or procure CED 

technology for those who currently own the machines. The same problem faced 

LaserDisc owners in 1981 when DiscoVision Associates withdrew from active 

participation in production and distribution of LaserDiscs. (Actually 

DiscoVision Associates still exist and they even have a web pages! Their 

only business is the collection of royalties due.) It was Pioneer who jumped 

into the scene and kept LaserDisc going for the last 16 years although that 

now appears to be coming to an end. I was thus surprised when in 1984 RCA 

following traditional American business practice opted out of CED, not 

because they were losing money but because they were not earning money fast 

enough. They sold 100,000 players in the first year instead of the 200,000 

planned and had sold 500,000 by April of 1984 when they pulled the plug. At 

that time there were only 100,000 LaserDisc players. I expected a Japanese 

company to step in since CED disc manufacturing was extremely profitable for 

RCA, which is why they promised to continue production into 1987, though they 

stopped in 1986. But no Japanese company did step in and had a group of 

interested American investor wanted to they could have stepped in and 

purchased RCA's player and disc manufacturing facilities for a great price. 

It was not to be. I am sure if they had CED would have continued to 

increase in market penetration. But the time to do that was in the late 

1980's not now. I am sure with storage space at a premium the CED pressing 

and mastering equipment has been destroyed. Also since CED used technology 

very similar to LP technology that was very prevalent in the past but not 

now, getting simple raw materials would be difficult. 

I have recently finished reading "RCA and the VideoDisc" by Margaret Graham. 

It is a fascinating view of the release and demise of CED from the corporate 

view. Suffice to say RCA was counting on CED starting off very big and 

continuing to build, when it didn't the naysayers were in charge from as 

early as 1982 and pressed for its withdrawal and finally won. They wanted 

and got the tax write offs that were so big at the time. Remember that when 

RCA was bought out by GE there was not a consolidation of two giants but a 

dismemberment and sell off of RCA parts to gain corporate profits for GE. 

Such were the 80's . Don't make money by making and selling things, but by 

buying and selling companies. I will follow with interest the CED musings in 

this publication. 

Terry Collins 

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 04:02:34 -0700 (PDT) 


To: Tom Howe 


Mime-Version: 1.0

Re: Pioneer Laseractive: 

I never compared this to CED, but I have 2 of Pioneer's "Zoom" 

laserdiscs, which are sent out periodically to retailers (got them from a 

VideoConcepts store when they were closing them all) One is almost 

entirely a demonstration of Laseractive and one can't help feeling sorry 

for the guy talking about all the research and commitment Pioneer was 

putting into it. I never saw it promoted to the public very well, but 

they talk about it here like it might be "the next big thing." The only 

Laseractive disc I have is "3-D Museum" which I also have LCD shutter 

glasses that work with it. I'd like to get some game discs if they ever 

show up cheap enough; that's what I think doomed this system as well as 

the laserdisc-based arcade video games in 1983-84- since the main parts 

are prerecorded, there's really only one way a game can go since you're 

playing with the same footage every time, and that gets old really fast. 

The system was a rip-off too, the player itself cost about as much as a 

really good LD player only it didn't have auto-reverse, and you couldn't 

play any games with it unless you paid another few hundred bucks for the 

"packs" (which both could've been built into the machine making for a 

really good unit- Turbographix and Genesis games!) To top it all off, the 

game discs were around $200 each when they first came out!! 

Where in history is CD-I (Interactive) going to fall? I recently got a 

player at Fry's (formerly Incredible Universe) for $15 (no that's not a 

typo!) I'd never expect to find one that cheap even at a thrift store! 

The manual it comes with starts out with "You've just purchased one of 

the best-supported, best-backed products available today, which will 

provide you with many years of enjoyment." This was a great example of a 

product in search of an identity- was it a game system, cheap home 

computer, educational device, or what??? Looking forward to finding some 

bootleg MPEG movie CD's though, I've heard they have some movies that are 

still in theaters available on these things. The only legitimate stuff 

I've been able to find is porno, the motion on the 3 discs I have is 

strange looking and I can't tell if it's the source material, bad 

mastering, or if that's how everything looks on MPEG-1 discs. And yes, I 

was watching them for the plot and the acting ;) I also have the Space 

Ace game that uses the MPEG card, and it looks pretty good but animated 

stuff often holds up better under "digital" situations- noticed a bit of 

"weave" and "jump" in the film though, which I thought would get lost in 

a sea of blocks so that impressed me. I saw "Star Trek" playing in a 

store a long time ago and it looked pretty bad, I don't have any of the 

more 'major' films Philips put out that would probably better show how 

good or bad the overall quality is. 

With laserdisc having already been 

out, and now DVD, this format has pretty much always been pointless, its 

only advantage apparently being that they're incredibly cheap to make, 

which accounts for the majority of discs to be either bootlegs and/or porn. 

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:55:41 -0600



Subject: Another CED player for sale.... 

I recently picked up a SFT-100 (I think that's the model number) from a 

local flea market. It's the player with the lever that you pull down to insert 

the disk. It works fine and I would like to sell it for $50.00... This price 

inludes the shipping and handling. If you are interested, please contact 

me. 

Thank's 

Dave. 

Also, CED's For Trade...... 

-Ordinary People- 2 disks 

-GANDHI- Disk 2 

Let me know if you would like to trade for either of these. 

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From: "Ken King" 



Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:23:22 PDT 

You may not know this, but a great many of the CED disk assemblies were 

injection molded right here in western PA by Precise Plastics. They did 

a lot of the original development work on the molds. As was mentioned 

in the last CED e-mail, surely the format would have continued to evolve 

and many of the shortcomings would have gone away. The last CED players 

were evidence that the art was improving. My SJT-400 has much less 

problem with skipping than the older players, as well as some really fun 

features like freeze frame. 

The thought of a clear caddy was not likely, though. The plant manager 

where I work was with Precise when they were making those caddies and he 

tells me that they were made of crystal styrene. Crystal styrene is 

clear but somewhat brittle so an additive was used to make it impact 

resistant. That additive also makes the resin opaque. Try dropping a 

hammer on one of those clear audio cassette shells then the same on a 

CED caddy and you'll see why they did it. 

If you have a white caddy (Precise didn't make the colored ones) that no 

longer is usable, cut the two halves apart. (They are sonic welded, so 

taking them apart will ruin them.) Look for the little round circles 

that are the mark from ejector pins used to push the part out of the 

mold. If there is a "P" on one of them, it came from Precise. 

Because most if not all of this kind of equipment came from vendors

ather than directly from RCA, it may be a stumbling block to putting 

CED back in production. Molds like this can easily cost $100,000 or 

more if they have been scrapped. With that said, I would like to 

support any effort to see if we can find a way to preserve and even 

possibly resurrect CED production equipment. 

--Ken King 

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:48:47 -0700 

To: Tom Howe \ 

From: "Marlin Bates, IV"\ 


Question: 

Anybody ever heard of this? 


National Capacitance Disc Library 



I just got a message from them requesting CEDs from me. Any information 

would be appreciated. 

-Marlin 






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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:51:01 -0600 



Subject: Rights to cutting CED's 

Well, as for the person wanting the rights to cutting CED's I don't know. 

You'd have to go through a record pressing company and a lot of other 

red tape..... I would like some new movies on CED though. 

Jurassic Park 

Ace Ventura 

The Mask 

Disney's "Hercules" 

and many others...

Okay, is the CED principal used for the disc on the Voyager space 

craft??? I'm just curious of this. It says that the disc contains video 

information and audio information. Is this disc printed in CED format or 

some other format??? Does anyone know??? I'm just curious.... 

I think it would be pretty neat if the voyager space craft actually had a 

CED on it. 

So why does the CED have to spin so fast??? Why couldn't they have 

just pressed them at 33 and 1/3 rpm or something slower??? I'm just 

curious..... 

Later, 

Dave. 

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From: MODT 




we have about 400 discs in our collection and we really are glad to find out 

that there are other ced lovers out there 

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From: "Ed Ellers" 

To: "Tom Howe" 


Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:33:43 -0400 


X-Priority: 3 


X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 

Terry Collins wrote: 

"I was thus surprised when in 1984 RCA following traditional American 

business practice opted out of CED, not because they were losing money but 

because they were not earning money fast enough. They sold 100,000 players 

in the first year instead of the 200,000 planned and had sold 500,000 by 

April of 1984 when they pulled the plug. At that time there were only 

100,000 LaserDisc players. I expected a Japanese company to step in since 

CED disc manufacturing was extremely profitable for RCA, which is why they

promised to continue production into 1987, though they stopped in 1986." 

My understanding is that RCA *was* manufacturing discs in 1987; the last 

major new title apparently was "Back To The Future." Also, the reporters 

who cover the consumer electronics industry -- several of whom I know fairly 

well -- were pretty much in agreement that RCA was *losing* money overall on 

CED, not merely missing their return-on-investment targets; they were 

selling the players below cost in order to build a customer base for discs, 

but didn't do enough of that to recoup their losses. 

-- 

Ed Ellers 

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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:00:29 -0500 



To: Tom Howe 


Dave wrote: 

> So why does the CED have to spin so fast??? Why couldn't they have 

> just pressed them at 33 and 1/3 rpm or something slower??? I'm just 

> curious..... 

> 

The CED really doesn't spin THAT fast. Comparitively speaking, the 

floppy disk drive spins at 300 RPM, and the Laserdisc spins at a max of 

around 1800 RPM. 

There are a few reasons that the discs spin at 450 RPM. Firstly, if the 

disc were to spin too slowly, for example, the 33 1/3 RPM like you 

mentioned, the information would be packed too densely and the 

information couldn't be extracted back off of the disc. 

Here's a little math :) 

The CED media has the following characteristics: 

Each revolution contains 4 complete frames of video (as well as sound) 

If you look at the disk you can see this fact because the disk is 

subdivided into 8 sectors (NTSC is an interlaced format, so two sectors 

are required to make a single frame). 

CED's are approximately 12 inches in diameter 

approx " of this is actual recording media. 

CED's have 9500 grooves per inch 

Okay, now if we keep this in mind ~3.25" x 9500 (note: we use 3.25"

instead of 6.5 because we don't want to count the grooves twice) gives 

us ~30875 grooves per side. On top of this 30875 grooves x 4 (4 frames 

per revolution remember) gives us the total number of frames per side... 

123500. We know that the NTSC format is 30 frames per second, so we 

divide 12350 / 30 ... 4116.7 seconds per side, divide by 60 and we get 

approx 68 minutes of video per side (please keep in mind that the 

measurements are approximate which accounts for the discrepancy). 

Now, we can learn something really interesting from this by comparing it 

to the laserdisc. On the laserdisc, there are only TWO sectors per side 

as opposed to eight (so there is only one frame per revolution). Ever 

wonder why the CED doesn't have a still feature? It's because the disc 

doesn't spin fast enough for it. On the laserdisc, it is possible 

because after it has finished drawing a complete frame, it is already 

back at the beginning of that frame...the disc has made one complete 

revolution. However, on a CED, a single frame takes 1/4th a complete 

revolution, and therefore it hasn't reached the beginning of the frame 

(it has to skip three frames to get to the still frame again). 

So why didn't the designers of the CED make it spin around 1800 RPM like 

the Laserdisc? There are probably two or three major reasons for this: 

First, since CED is a contact medium, it is likely a higher RPM would 

have caused the needle to resonate and skip around and would therefore 

make it unreliable. Second, it would reduce the amount of playback time 

significantly without increasing the groove density (since without 

changing the groove density you would have only 15 minutes per side). 

Third, by increasing the groove density to compensate, it would have 

required a finer needle and would make the media more subject to damage 

by scratching and make either the needle or the disc wear out 

significantly faster. 

Food for thought anyways. :) 

*Geoff!* 

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Subject: The CED Future, Part V 



Part V, Capacitance Fund & Userís Corporation 

By Daniel P. Cayea 

To be completely honest with you I havenít received any suggestions for 

enhancements of this nostalgic and antiquated system. In this I had to change 

the 

title of this part from ëSystem Enhancement & Reproductioní to what it is

now. A 

response to the last post of the ëCED Futureí in CED Digest has raised a good 

question. The feasibility and realistic nature of restarting this media? To 

some it 

isnít there, and to some it is. I was however somewhat unclear about what I 

meant about the restarting of this media. As I have learned, in which I have 

known about it for sometime that it would not be financially and 

realistically 

sound for a large corporation to restart a potentially disastrous 

entertainment 

media. Starting the media again now, on a large scale wouldnít be feasible, 

but 

just go along with the ideas stated below as well as some theories. 

Tom Howe has stated in his frequently asked questions about CED, that 

there were approximately 750,000 players manufactured. Also estimate that 

over 

the years that half (50%) of them have become broken or destroyed leaving 

about 375,000 players and owners of the players, that is if for each person 

there 

is only one player. For this if each of the 375,000 people were to donate $5 

to a 

trust that could be managed by Tom Howe, (just a suggestion, since he is a 

very 

trustworthy individual) that would leave 1.875 million dollars in the fund. 

This 

amount could definitely by any hardware and equipment that is still available 

for use by us, the CED enthusiasts. The money could also serve for a fund 

for 

research into enhancement of ëourí system. I say ëourí system, since there 

are 

only a select few of us who refuse to let it die. We have adopted it, the 

CED 

system is our so called ëelectronicí child. Perhaps we cannot make CED the 

most 

flashiest, best system on the block, at least we can help sustain it further. 

Speaking on another question... If there is equipment that can be 

purchased and we (as in the possible 375,000 of us) purchase it, where would 

we 

put it? Now, before any conclusions are drawn, I am not saying this because 

of 

this idea being somewhat based in my companies hometown. My small 

company ëTelecom Technologiesí is based in Lyon Mountain, New York. This 

town had a once large mining operation that was closed down in 1967. There 

are 

still however several large buildings that remained. One in particular, 

which has 

been run down over the years, would be a prime candidate for storage and 

perhaps research of the equipment. The building is five stories high, and 

has an

available elevator shaft. It is though in need of work, plumbing, heating, 

and 

electrical. There also have been those who have voiced that what of the 

dangers 

of mines. Approximately all of the mines have been permanently sealed, and 

those who havenít been sealed are nowhere near this building. One benefit of 

this though, is that the building has a solid concrete infrastructure and 

could 

relatively ëcheapí from the town. I leave this issue relatively short and 

ask for 

your criticism. As in the next issue I will discuss the role of Thomson 

Consumer 

Electronics (RCA) in all of this. Thanks for the interest. 

Dan Cayea 





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To: Tom Howe 



could not but help notice the comments From Geoff on digest vol.2 No. 

42. It's the classic arugument between Skeptics and optomist. You can 

do anything if you put your mind to it. Why try to discourage others from 

doing it?? If they want to try, then they have a right to try. Actually, 

it can be done. We have made great advances in Electronics technology 

since that time. Smaller, cheaper, more powerful, more efficient, better 

quaility stuff that could be used to redesign the machines to play even 

better, more features, higher quaility stylus's, better playback quality, 

and modifications that I'm sure probably are even already on blueprints 

sitting still in a filing cabinet up there. 

Why discourage others from trying to help themselves??? You did point 

out the fact that RCA "ran out" on all of these people, so why on one hand 

are you down casting and stating that they are being foolish by pursuing 

what you refer to as "Futile hopeless" attempts to help give some progress 

and improvement of the situation of the owners of this format??? 

Everything is not as always cut and dry when viewed by many 

perspectives...Yours is one prespective, and their perspective is another. 

SO WHAT!!! They have a right try. I don't think they are naive or 

unaware of the problems that they would encounter in this project. I 

think they are aware of problems that would have to be overcome. I think 

somebody should try. They told the wright brothers, "If God had meant 

for men to fly they would have given him wings." Well, thank goodness

the Wright Bros. ingnored those types of perspectives, and forged forward 

and took the challenges of the problems facing them. 

It applys to this to. Maybe it does not seem practical or pragmatic to 

you? But to others, they might have some vision on how to see things in a 

larger perspective. 

Let them try!!! Don't have a defeatest attitude. Let them try!! I 

mean after all, your not afraid that your (or others out there) rarity 

list will be threatened by new pressings of say for example "XXXXXXX" 

titles that people on this page say or create the illusion that a 

particular title is rare????.... I think every titles that was put out on 

the title data base that Tom has should be repressed out new by order or 

request So, that we don't have all of this contention, and pretentious 

competition over titles. I could even extend that argument even to the 

level of certain models of players too (need I say more). 

I mean come on guys!!! this stuff is getting pretty ridiculous. We are 

all Big Boys (and Girls) out there. Its time to stop being petty, and 

start having a little spirit and adventure on this matter! The point has 

been well made: "We as C.E.D. people will accomplish things in our best 

interest if we STICK TOGETHER! Divided we will certainly fall!!! (one by 

one). If we don't organize! then we will be victums of the calendar!! 

as time goes by, parts run out, Stylus's need replacing!!, Rubbler Belts 

need replacing! I.C. chips are sensitive to static elec., 

I personally think it would be nice to be able to get a new pressed 

copy of a movie title on the old CED list. 

New movies from the 90's 

Tombstone Batman 

Terminator II Beavis n' Butt-Head 

Independence Day New concert footage of Alternative Bands from the 

Contact 90's MTV "live unplugged" Video's 

Star Trek Next Gen. The Beatles Anthology (whole set) 

....... Just use your imagination... make up your own lists!!! 

There are no problems, only solutions!!! and if we keep moaning like we 

are, then its not going to happen!!! 

If somebody wants to try to get this format going again, so let them!! 

I don't see any harm in it!!! If someone can then let them!!! Usually 

the people who say it can't be done are the ones who are first in line 

ahead of everybody else when somebody else does do it.... 

Lets here from some people out there with some real vision!!!!! on this 

thing!!! Lets think positive about this!!!.......Lets here from some of 

you out there!!!!!!! 

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:51:30 -0600 

From: David Potochick


Subject: Let's bring it all back!!! 

Yah, I'm behind bring the CED back!!!..... Yah, what a neat idea!!! 

While were at it, lets also bring back the 8 track!!! Just think of how many 

people have 8 track players out there. They're tucked away in garages 

and basements, even at flea markets... We could buy the 8 track 

recording devices and mass produce 8 tracks.... 

While were at it, we could also make great games like Street Fighter and 

Tokyo Wars for the Atari 2600. Just think of all of the neat graphics!!! 

Hey, think of all of the people that have old IBM 8088 computers.... We 

could market a a version of MYST or Sim City 2000 for them..... Then we 

could mass produce the Commodore 64 and TI-994A again. 

Okay, I think I made my point clear..... Back to CED digest...... 

Although we'd love to have new CED's I just don't see it as possible with 

CD and other laser/disc technologies.... RCA has it's own DVD player 

now and I think formats are getting smaller instead of larger. 

Later, 

Dave. 

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From: LLP33 

Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:16:41 -0400 (EDT) 



Dave asked why the Ced disks spin so fast, i belive it is because of the 6Mhz( 

6,000,000 hz) or so frequency of the video + audio signal. At 33 1/3 rpm 

these high frequencies would not register in the grooves, because the waves 

of the signal are so minute that a higher surface to stylus speed is required 

for the cutter to engrave these high frequencies. The 33 1/3 is acceptable 

for audio because the highest frequency audible is around 20khz (20,000 hz). 

I suppose it would be theoretically possible to record video signals at 33 

1/3 rpm, if the laquer was of ultra-high quality, ultra-fine, to the point of 

being smooth on a microscopic level, used in conjunction with a precision 

cutting head that was exremely powerful at the high frequencies. But its a 

hell of a lot easier to spin the disk at 400rpms though. I belive that the 

disk on the voyager is nothing more than a copper Lp, if even that much, how 

would some alien be able to play it? was there a player on board? and ive 

also wondered if it would be playable after all those years of collecting 

cosmic dust. maybe its just a kind of hood ornament! (or belt buckle!) 

C.F.

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:25:34 -0700 



Subject: Zenith Player and Discs for Sale 


I received a letter from a gentleman wanting to sell a Zenith VP2000 player and 

45 discs. He can only be contacted by mail or phone. Here's his address and 

phone number: 

Richard White 

42 Elmont Road 

Hamilton, NJ 08610 

(609) 585-8856 

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:47:27 -0700 



Subject: RE: Voyager Interstellar Record 


The records on the Voyager probes did include both audio and still images, but 

rather than being a CED, the disc is actually two copper audio LP masters bonded 

back-to-back and plated with gold. These were mastered at 16 2/3 RPM, providing 

a one hour playback time on each side. Side 1 contains 116 images, greetings in 

60 languages, a whale song, and music; while Side 2 has 60 minutes of additional 

music. Side 1 faces inward, being well protected from micrometeorite impact, and 

is estimated to still be playable after 1 billion years. 

A stylus and cartridge are stored on each spacecraft, and the gold anodized 

aluminum cover the disc is sealed behind has pictorial instructions for playback 

etched into it's surface, using the transition time of the hydrogen atom as the 

basal time unit. B & W images require 8 seconds to play back, while color images 

require 24 seconds, and the recovered image is somewhat similar to an NTSC 

television frame, consisting of 512 scan lines arranged vertically rather than 

horizontally. 

There are a few of CED tie-ins related to the Voyager project. The CED title 

"Star Trek: the Motion Picture" contains a mock-up of a Voyager probe, but no 

gold cover is visible on the unit, and the Voyager 6 designation is now an 

historical inaccuracy, as NASA launched only two Voyagers. The two companies 

that later mastered CED's, RCA and CBS, both provided technical consulting on 

the mastering of the Voyager record. Herbert Schlosser, then president of NBC, 

was a production consultant on the record who later became RCA's vice president 

of VideoDisc programming. He can be seen in the book _RCA and the VideoDisc_ , 

and is also the gentleman seen standing in front of a wall of VideoDiscs in a 

publicity photo RCA distributed widely in 1980 leading up to the CED System 

introduction.

For more info on the Voyager record, consult the book _Murmurs of Earth_ (1978, 

Carl Sagan et. al.), or visit the Golden Record portion of NASA's Voyager web 

site at this URL: 

http://vraptor.jpl.nasa.gov/voyager/record.html 

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To: Tom Howe 

Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:54:09 -0500 

Subject: Entry 


All this talk of pressing new disks is interesting... Here is my 

question though: 

What are we going to watch them all on?? 

Shouldn't someone figure out how to make some new styluses (Styli?) 

first?!?! 

Yes, I'd really like to see Vertigo and Blade Runner pressed on CED. 

Whoops, they already did and I own them so I guess I'm happy :) 

TTYL, 

ZD 

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:22:33 -0600 



To: Tom Howe 


In response to chemfish's remarks: 

I believe the point I was trying to convey regarding the new production 

of CED's is that it is not ECONOMICALLY feasable. Certainly anything is 

possible, but who's willing to spend the time and money to make it

happen? 

*Geoff!* 

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:38:54 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: The CED Future, Part VI & Personal Notes 


Part VI, The Role of Thomson Consumer Electronics 

By Daniel P. Cayea 

As Tom Howe pointed out in his updated CED FAQ's, perhaps someday 

Thomson Consumer Electronics will release a commemorative disc on the 

twentieth 

anniversary of the CED system. Well, the twentieth anniversary is in 2001, 

so far I 

haven't seen any movement on their end. As the 750,000 possible CED users 

are 

struggling to keep their equipment up we see a problem. A problem that now 

unless we ourselves purchase the rights, that only Thomson can help us with. 

Life is life, business is business. Of course that is the way corporate 

America thinks today, and that is no different compared to General Electric 

or 

Thomson Consumer Electronic either. For whatever reason General Electric 

just 

had to have RCA Corporation back in 1986, it is a corporate fact of life, big 

companies or richer companies have to swallow up little or poorer companies. 

Now that RCA is gone, we find ourselves scurrying to get whatever help or 

equipment that we can find. As with players, movies, and stylus cartridges 

dwindle away, we have to find a solution. This is one of the other reasons 

why 

we need to join together and get this technology started again. This 

technology 

is just like an old boat, the longer we wait without any action, the sooner 

we 

sink. It has been said that Thomson in all probability still has Disc 

Stamping 

Station as well as some other machinery for the production of CED hardware, 

such as stylus cartridges. From a relative point of view, purchasing these 

items from Thomson Consumer Electronics should be easy. For they have no use 

for it at all, however we do. For I, just being one person, do not have the 

financial resources to do this. Yet, the almost 750,000 possible CED 

enthusiasts do have the resources to 

accomplish this. Write Thomson like I have on information of the equipment 

for 

CED that they have. Eventually they will respond to the numerous requests 

that

they will get, only if you write or call them, like I have. Since this part 

is relatively short and sweet, I should go over the other parts that I have 

come up with and tell you what they are about and what CED Digest they are 

in. Part One & Two are general overviews of the CED Future are posted in 

Vol. 2, No. 40. Part Three is brief overview of Parts One & Two, also with 

some suggestions on how to restart the CED system, and is posted in Vol. 2, 

No. 41. Part Four is a report on the financial feasibility of restarting the 

CED system, how and why we should do it, and is in Vol. 2, No. 42. Part Five 

is a report on a possible users fund for the CED system and some suggestions 

on how to get whatever hardware is available, it is in Vol. 2. No. 43. In 

the next part, Part Seven, I hope you will all help me with, by sending me 

comments on your results on contacting General Electric or Thomson 

Consumer Electronics, as I am attempting to get all that I can out of them, I 

hope 

you can do the same. I also plan on commenting on Telecom's National 

Capacitance Disc Library and how it can help, if we cannot succeed in our 

efforts. 





Personal Notes: 

As some of you have commented on the futilism of trying to restart the CED 

format, I thank you for your criticism but I ask for support in which I would 

give if you were starting such a project. Again, I thank you, personally I 

would prefer positive ideas, suggestions, and criticism, but all is welcomed. 

Again, my company Telecom Technologies has started the 'National Capacitance 

Disc Library.' It is a profit library which I hope to collect all available 

titles in multiple copies for those who wish to loan them, that way we do not 

have to compete with each other for available copies. 

Thanks, Dan 

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 01:25:54 -0800 



Subject: Revamped RCA VideoDisc Classifieds 



The EPage Classified Ad web site is restructuring their service and will be 

closing down the current RCA VideoDisc Classifieds sometime this month. I've 

created a new classified ad section on their site, and at present both the old 

and new one are linked at CED Magic. 

EPage has revamped their site to be more similar to the phenomenally successful

auction site Ebay, so in addition to posting regular classified ads, it is now 

also possible to do auctions and post images. 

--Tom Howe 


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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:34:20 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: The CED Future, Part VII 

The CED Future, Part Seven 

Financial Feasibility 

Many of you have given constructive criticism to the cause of restarting the 

CED format. Most of you believe that it is a futile cause, which from many 

perspectives of view is. However, after research I have discovered this. 

The estimated total cost of purchasing the patent rights, equipment, and 

manufacturing tools is $2,000,000.00, this is estimated remind you. 

According to a survey that I conducted there are 300,000 users of the format 

nationwide. That is $7 per person if everyone joins in. It is my personal 

opinion that $7 isn't allot of money at least to me, however 2 million is. I 

ask all of you for help. As 'Geoff' (geoff@m1.sprynet.com) said that it 

isn't worthwhile, but on the contrary it is. As Chemfish 

(chemfish@utkux1.utk.edu) wrote "Why fight off each other for what is left?" 

This is a good point which I would like to get across. I have found it 

harder and harder to obtain replacement parts and that includes stylus 

needles for players. We had better get moving on this project if we are 

going to and we must. Or we may find that are hobby can do is just collect 

dust. 

I have also started the National Capacitance Disc Library here in my home 

town as part of a corporate project here at my company. I invite you all to 

stop at my web site and check out the Disc Library Page on it. Thanks. Telecom Technologies * 

Lyon Mountain Online. 

As I may have not said before 'I thank all of you for your criticism and for 

your help' 

With any luck we will not have to worry about running out of time. Let's 

beat the calendar shall we? 


Telecom Technologies Incorporated



Lyon Mountain, New York 12952 

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:12:02 -0500 (EST) 


Subject: CED's for sale.....reduced! 


$10 each (ppd) 



CREEPSHOW 




TIME BANDITS 

all are in excellent condition. 


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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:56:19 -0500 (EST) 


To: Tom Howe 



I rest my case with the rest of the "Majority" that it can be done 

in a workable manner. Yes, it can be done economically. Everyone together 

will make it work feasably. And yes, there are people who do have the 

time to do it. 

There is a workable solution. And it will be cost effective. The party 

of individuals I'm discussing matters with right now allready have it 

worked out on paper! 

Some people do have the solutions--already! 

you need pars and stylus just like everybody else. 

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From: chris.benham 

Date: Wed, 05 Nov 97 11:45:14 +1000 

To: 


MIME-Version: 1.0

Friends, 

Perhaps rather than re-creating the whole process through your own 

company we should see if one of the specialist video companies would 

be interested in releasing on CED. 

The key is the ability to master and to press CED disks. 

That is the really tough issue. 

Does mastering and pressing equipment still exist or can they be 

easily rebuilt? 

And of course the whole issue of CED stylii remains unknown. 

There is also copyright issues relating to material to be released on 

CED. (This would less of a problem for an exiting video company). 

In any case goodluck .... 

chris b. 

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 00:03:07 -0800 



Subject: New Section at CED Magic 



A new section called "Miscellaneous Information" has been added near the bottom 

of the main CED Magic page. This will contain info that doesn't fit elsewhere at 

the site. So far I've put one page on caddy repair and maintenance and another 

one containing a CED bibliography with reviews of several books of interest to 

CED collectors. 

--Tom Howe 


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From: "Foret, Pete (PS)" 

To: "'ceds@teleport.com'" 

Subject: CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 45

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 15:50:00 est 

Encoding: 37 TEXT 

I am new to the CED Digest and am interested in the discussion of 

breathing new life into CED. I just bought a CED player and have 

collected a few discs. Although the few experiences I had with CED while 

it was new involved skipping discs while watching them, I must say I am 

quite impressed with the quality of CED over even modern day VHS 

prerecorded fair. As an avid Beta user since 1984, I wish this format 

would have won out over VHS. In my opinion Sony really had a chance to 

overcome VHS and even modern laser disc with its' ED Beta VCR; but 

dropped it for fear that it would hurt their industrial 3/4" sales! As an 

ED Beta owner, the quality of the format is breathtaking, being able to 

record at laser disc level of quality. 

I have been working for General Electric for a couple of years now and 

as you may already know, the consumer electronics division of RCA was 

sold to Thompson Consumer Electronics group shortly after GE purchased 

RCA in 1986. RCA and even General Electric products are made by Thompson. 

This may give CED a chance because with the company mandated margin 

levels for their divisions, CED wouldn't stand much of a chance of coming 

back here at GE. 

I have seen the estimated number of CED users. Are these based on past 

sales or actual people actively using CED to this day? Probably the most 

feasible way of pressing discs would be to prove to a small production 

company that there is a market awaiting the new release of titles on 

disc. However, I have read of small duplication companies that are 

willing to take all of the responsibility of releasing prerecorded Beta 

tapes but are consistently turned down by the big studios. This despite a 

fair amount of loyal Beta users with interest in obtaining new 

prerecorded fair. 

I can remember back in the early eighties that big studios were anxious 

to get down to one format to release movies on. With RCA pulling the plug 

on CED and Beta dying a slow death at the hand of VHS, Pioneer was smart 

enough to create a niche for its' product by vastly improving the quality 

of the format and fiercely standing behind it; almost alone. With DVD 

giving laser disc a run for its' money and the number of Beta owners 

still interested in that format, it will take some creative thinking to 

bring CED back to life. 

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:50:58 -0500 (EST) 



$7.00 per person seems very reasonable, but how about rounding it off to 

$10.00? and what about an organization that we all trust will handle this 

money properly? Would this be a new company? 

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:50:24 -0800 (PST) 


To: Tom Howe 



While I just have to laugh at the thought of putting out new movies on 

CED, I have heard that there is at least one professional videotape 

format that was used decades ago that is now impossible to play as all 

the machines have broken and irrepairable. I hate the thought of that 

happening to any format. 

Therefore, when I got into CEDs my first worry was having my stylus wear 

out. It was so much that I started watching only the discs I REALLY 

wanted to see first, in case the player died and I couldn't watch any 

more. But I started combing the flea markets and thrift stores and have 

gotten some spare players, and in cases where the seller will only sell 

the discs and player as a package, if the player is mono then I take the 

stylus out of that and store it away in a plastic bag. I also have 2 

brand new "old-style" cartridges that I got at a mom-n-pop TV shop, so I 

don't think I have to worry about my CEDs being unplayable for a long 

time. I've heard the SJT-series (motorized loading) players had styluses 

that were designed to last a VERY long time, someone claimed they would 

last forever with normal use; that's why there's no access cover like on 

other players, and once you get the player open it's still hard to get to 

the pickup arm and the stylus. I prefer my SGT-200 however because on 

"Dual audio" discs it lets me play them in true stereo. "Audio B" was 

really the out-of-phase sound like how the surround channel in standard 

Dolby works, so you can get some pretty interesting effects playing these 

in stereo. The music in Jane Fonda's Workout is recorded weird so you can 

turn off Jane's voice, and the CBS/FOX discs I have that are English with 

Spanish on the second track are quite funny in Dolby Surround. The whole 

Spanish soundtrack of "Snoopy Come Home" is just a microsecond off from 

the English track so the music echoes strangely if you're playing this in 

surround, and the dialogue also has an interesting effect- the English 

voice speaks first then it's like someone sitting behind you starts 

translating it into Spanish. I've always noticed how "spazzed" Spanish 

voices in cartoons sound, this is certainly no exception. I laughed when 

I figured out they were calling Charlie Brown "Carlito", it reminded me 

of Al Pacino's movie "Carlito's Way". I don't quite think I'm up to 

handling "North to Alaska" or "The Adventures of Robin Hood" this way yet 

though. 

But back on the subject of keeping equipment alive so the world can 

always play these, something SHOULD be done to make sure that all CED 

players becoming unusable never happens. Enthusiasts of old 78 RPM 

phonographs make needles you can use with those, the CED stylus is a 

little more complex but I think someone can figure it out. 

Anyways, I'm off to the flea market at the Drive-in hoping to find some 

more CEDs! 

Alan Smithee

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From: "Daniel P. Cayea" 

To: "CED Digest E-Zine" 

Subject: CED Order Verification 

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:05:21 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 



To those who it may concern: Those whom I have had business dealings with 

in the past, please forgive the incomveience. I have had severe difficulties 

with America Online had have switched service providers. My new email address 

is cayead@westelcom.com and Telecom Technologies is also on this server. Dan 

Cayea Telecom Technologies 

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To: "CED Digest E-Zine" 

Subject: The CED Future, Part IIX 

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:01:50 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 



The CED Future, Part IIX Forming of a Corporation It has been two weeks 

since I last spoke with you about the possible restart of our obsolecent yet 

wonderful entertainment media. As many of you have pointed out in your 

constructive critisicism you have said 'It would not be financially feasible to 

start the repressing of discs again.' This would be true after careful 

examination. I do however propose this to those who are interested. A forming 

a corporation mainely titled 'Capacitance Corporation' and unseemingly catchy 

as that is. I propose that we join into corporation that would perhaps not 

forward this technology but stop or at least slow the obsolesence to a mere 

crawl. Before we find our players and discs to be worthless. I ask those to 

think seriously of this proposal. Dan Cayea Telecom Technologies 

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To: Tom Howe 

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:33:52 -0500 

Subject: Digest Entry


Just some more food for thought on the "Bring back the CED!" project. 

Does anyone know just WHERE the CED pressing devices might be 

located? 

I remember a few years ago on the classic video game group... some 

guy had a great idea that all the classic gamers make a pilgrimage to 

New Mexico (Or was it Arizona) and there they would do an 

archaeological dig for a ton of overproduced atari 2600 games (ET, 

Swordquest Earthworld) for fun and for souvenirs. So, all these 

elaborate plans were made on how and when everyone would bring their 

pup tents and there pick axes to the site for the dig. 

Only problem, no one could figure out just WHERE the location was. 

So it was about 6 months of wishful thinking. 

Does anyone know where it might be? If it existed? Is there only one 

machine? Or what? 

Also, on another note from a skeptic... I think the number given as 

the number of people still using CED's... is overstated. Even if it 

was not.. I don't think people who aren't on the internet should be 

counted! How are they to contribute anything if they don't know? I 

would guestimate the number of people who are CED users and are on 

the internet at what... 100? 200? Maybe less than either of those? 

I'm not against this whole deal, I think it'd be swell.. but, I say 

cut through some feasibility discussion and have someone do the leg 

work and find out where the pressing machine might be if it still 

exists. Because, if there is no machine.. what's to do.. make 

another? Not likely.. it probably takes a huge obsolete machine just 

to build the huge obsolete machine that is used to press the obsolete 

disks that we like so much. 

FIND THE MACHINE 

Zach 

TTYL, 

ZD 

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To:

Subject: The CED Future, Part Ten 

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:58:46 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 



The CED Future: Part Ten Forming of a Corporation In the last few 

digests it has been pointed out, about the feasibilty of restarting our old, 

obsolete, but great system. After extensive research it has been found that 

publishing current films would be outside a realistic grasp. I do however 

believe, as well as other who believe, that it is realistic and possible to 

restart the manufacture of diamond stylus needles for our players. Recently 

I asked those who would interested to form into corporation with me so that we 

could pool resources and start this project. I recieved little response and I 

do thank those who did respond. I was asked that amung those who would 

participate in such a corporation, who would manage the money. It would be 

necessary to decide amungs ourselves to nominate a person who would let be 

known their capabilities of forming a corporation. In this there were also 

some questions that were asked and I would like to answer them now. What 

would the name of the company or corporation be? This hasn't been finalized and 

won't be until it is absolutely sure that 1.8 million dollars can be secured 

for the starting of the project. Who would manage the money? Either an 

accounting firm selected by the head of the corporation, or the corporation 

would mange the finances. Who would run the corporation? Amung us who would 

join into corporation, we must decide amungst ourselves who would be best 

certified to fulfill the position of CEO. If there are any other questions, 

please don't hesitate to ask. Daniel P. Cayea Telecom Technologies 

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To: 

Subject: Searching for CED Discs' 

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:17:57 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 



Dear Fellow CED Users: My company is in search of the following titles 

for donation or possible purchase to be integrated with the National 

Capacitance Disc Library. James Bond Titles Star Wars Titles Police Academy 

Titles Star Trek Titles Thanks Dan Cayea 

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To: 

Subject: The CED Future: Part Eleven 

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:45:16 -0500 

MIME-Version: 1.0

X-Priority: 3 



The CED Future: Part Eleven (V1.0) National Capacitance Disc Library & 

Corporation Notes I have written to you for ten previous times now asking for 

support and those who have offered I am grateful for your help and hope you 

stay tuned with my articles on Tom Howe's CED Digest to stay informed. I 

have started a library through my company Telecom Technologies, and as the 

header might indicate it is called the National Capacitance Disc Library. The 

mission of this library is to accumulate several copies of every title released 

in the CED Format for loan by any person with a CED Player. This library is 

not a non-profit organization. There would be a charge for loaning discs, 

which would be a relatively small fee. This small fee would cover inventory, 

shipping, and maintenance costs of the library. If anyone can make a donation 

either discs or players to the library, it would be appreciated. On the same 

note I would like to thank Bill Blasjkowicz and others who made donations to 

the library. If you would like to loan a film from the library send your 

request to cayead@westelcom.com with the name of the film and publisher (RCA or 

CBS). I will respond to your request whether or not we have it available and 

what the fee will be. Onto another tune dealing with the corporation of CED 

users. I suggest a name 'Capacitance Corporation'. It has come to my 

understanding that no company uses this name and it is somewhat catchy. Those 

who were interested in joining into corporation, please email me, so I can 

email with you the proper informaiton. -Dan Cayea -Telecom Technologies & 

Capacitance Corporation 

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From: "George Butts" 

To: 

Subject: New CED releases 

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:34:47 -0800 

X-Priority: 3 



I have been reading the different opinions about the feasibility of bringing 

back the CED format. I work in the television industry and I would agree 

that I can't imagine that there would be any movie companies that would even 

consider allowing their films to be released on the CED format. It just 

wouldn't be cost effective for them. 

I think talking about releasing new films on CED is alike to longing for 

audio recording to be released on 8-track. I love both of the formats, but 

the charm of them is that they are obsolete and so many people consider them 

junk. That's why it's so fun when you find a nice stash of CED's in a 

thrift store that hundreds of people have probably walked by and asked, 

"What the heck are those?" The fact that people are donating these to 

thrift stores says something about their value to the general public. They 

are one step away from just being tossed in the garbage can. 

I do, however, think that forming a company to manufacture new parts for the

existing players would be a feasible idea. A small electronics 

manufacturing company might be very interested in taking on this project for 

a sales potential of a couple hundred thousand units. I think that's where 

the efforts should be concentrated, not in bringing back movies on CED. 

Does anyone out there really want to pay from $25 to $35 for a movie 

released on CED? They were $25 when the format was alive. My guess is 

that if they were ever to be released again they'd be considerably more 

today. To me, it's much more satisfying to find some original films in 

near mint condition for 98 cents each! I just picked up 40 movies from 

Goodwill that are obviously from a private collection because they look and 

play superbly. 98 cents apiece! That's what collecting CED's is all 

about. The thrill of the hunt. 

When you decide to start a company to manufacture parts sign me up. I'll 

gladly pay my $10. 

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:59:00 -0700 

To: Tom Howe 

From: "Marlin Bates, IV" 

Subject: Elephant Parts CED and more for sale 

I have the following for sale. All prices INCLUDE shipping. $5 each 

unless marked: 

American Gigolo 

Rocky III 

Start To Finish 

The Bad News Bears 

Richard Pryor Live in Concert 

Benji 

Fanatstic Voyage (RCA) 

Elephant Parts (Michael Nesmith) $20 

Will also trade 2 of mine for 1 of yours I do not have.(Except Elephant Parts) 

Thanks 

-Marlin 






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From: vidajf16 

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:52:14 CST 


Subject: subscribe

I need a working player, preferably with a remote. Drop me a line if 

you have one. 

-James Vida 

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:14:14 -0800 (PST) 


To: Tom Howe 



Got a question for everyone: How many of you, when buying discs, take 

them out of the covers to check for condition and/or if it's the right 

movie, or play the first few minutes as soon as you get them? 

Part of the appeal of my CED collection is that there are literally 

thousands of hours of material that I have never seen; one of the biggest 

allures of the format is not being able to see the disc too (just like 

under normal use you would never see the spool of tape inside an 

8-track.) I like to be surprised when I pick out a movie I haven't 

watched yet and know nothing of what it's about. 

However, I just ran into a disaster. Going through some of my old VHS 

tapes recorded off TV, back when I was so poor I had only one VCR and had 

to tape movies off independent TV stations, I was watching some of the 

commercials with my closed-captions turned on and a promo for a showing 

of "Hard Country" came on. What was funny was that the master they were 

using was captioned, so whatever captions were present in the clips they 

were showing showed up on the screen. This station always used movies in 

their original format, unedited (complete with bad language and stuff 

until they got a ton of complaints; they're now a Fox affiliate) and I'd 

never seen captions on any of these; so I got out my CED of "Hard 

Country", which I'd been meaning to watch anyway since it looked like an 

interesting movie, and it turned out to be disc 2 of "Never Say Never 

Again!" This was the first time I had gotten the wrong movie when trying 

to watch one; the only other time was when I had 2 copies of "Arthur" and 

one of them turned out to have "Game of Death" inside. I have no other 

copies of Hard Country though so I'll just have to keep an eye out for 

another copy. 

Does anyone else do what I do and just await surprises, or do you check 

the disc right away to at least make sure it's the right one? 

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To: 

Subject: National Capacitance Disc Library 

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:55:09 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 

MIME-Version: 1.0

Dear Fellow CED'ers: 

As part of my company project to enhance and re-enact the CED format as 

much as possible, I have started the National Capacitance Disc Library, a 

profit organization that I have developed to build it's CED resources to 

great extents for access by all those with CED Players and Interest. 

Currently the NCD Library is small and few resources but plans are in the 

making to reverse this. There are however some catches about people 

loaning materials from the library. More information can be obtained by 

subscribing to the NCDL Newsletter by sending an emal to 

cayead@westelcom.com with the words SUBSCRIBE NCDL in the subject box. 

More information can also be obtained by visiting the temporary web site at 

http://www.westelcom.com/users/cayead/telecom/ncdl.html, please excuse the 

long URL, but it is temporary. 

Thanks, 

Dan Cayea, TTI 

*This message authenticated and originated from Telecom Technologies 

Headquarters. 

TTI is located in Lyon Mountain, New York USA 

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:58:05 -0600 



To: Tom Howe 


> The CED Future: Part Ten Forming of a Corporation In the last few 

> digests it has been pointed out, about the feasibilty of restarting our 

> old, obsolete, but great system. After extensive research it has been 

> found that publishing current films would be outside a realistic grasp. I 

> do however believe, as well as other who believe, that it is realistic and 

> possible to restart the manufacture of diamond stylus needles for our 

> players. Recently I asked those who would interested to form into 

Here's another "negative" comment, or constructive criticism if you 

will. 

I don't really think it feasable to manufacture the needles as well! For 

one thing, I can't think of ANY manufacturers making stylii for 

phonographs let alone CED players (there is definitely a surplus of

stylii for phonographs around). For one thing, a CED stylus is NOTHING 

like a diamond-tipped phonograph stylus. It is many times more complex. 

It is cut a very specific way in order to let it ride on several grooves 

unlike a phonograph stylus. Secondly, it has a titanium electrode which 

extends into the groove. This is much smaller than the diamond tip. 

There is a connecting wire that is attached to a gold-plated point 

contact. There are three pieces of magnet used for tracking, and a 

rubber stabilizer on the back. There is a cylindrical hollow aluminum 

tube used to hold the needle to the cartridge. There's also a spring 

used to retract the needle when loading/unloading the cartridge from the 

player. That's a lot of various parts to assemble! The only other 

alternative would be to cut down on the number of parts necessary to 

manufacture by refurbishing cartridges. Even still, it seems rather 

cost-prohibitive. 

The CED FAQ states that, "Note that to date it has been less expensive 

to buy a working CED player than to buy a new stylus 

cartridge (my range has been $5 to $30 for used players vs. $45 to $70 

for new stylus cartridges)." Now, if it costs $45 to $70 for a new 

stylus from BACKSTOCK that's at least 10-15 years old...how could it be 

economically feasable to manufacture a new cartridge (indeed several 

models of cartridges, since all the different brands use a different 

style cartridge) for the much reduced user base of today? 

*Geoff!* 

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To: Tom Howe 

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:15:07 -0500 

Subject: Digest entry 


Well, here is another topic for discussion for the digest. The bring 

back the CED campaign is interesting (1.8 million dollars! That would 

almost pay back my school loans) but perhaps you guys have some 

thoughts on shipping disks.. 

Everyone knows that if the disks get stacked too high the sheer 

weight of the disks can cause the outer case to mash the disk and 

possibley scratch and damage it right? 

But, just because you put the disks 'upright' in a box doesn't really 

mean anything when you think about it... I asked UPS about 'This side 

up' and they told me 'no way'... they said the boxes are tossed, 

rolled down belts, and what not with absolutely no reguard for 'this 

side up' labels. So, if you have your disks neatly stacked 'up 

right' they may soon be neatly stacked on top of eachother once the 

box is turned over.. and since you stacked them all together thinking

they are safe, they really aren't. 

So - I've been thinking about this... Why not just stack the disks 

about 4-5 at a time, and then put something to pad the four corners 

of the disk, and then stack 4-5 more? If you open the case and 

inspect the amount of space outside the circumfrence of the disk but 

inside the corner of the outer case you will see it's plenty of space 

a wad of paper, a piece of styrofoam, etc. Plus the left and 

ride edges of the disk are solid plastic. 

Do you see what I am getting at? The disks can only be crushed in 

the middle.. so if the outside where there is no disk is padded right 

then the pressure from a stack of CED's can be distributed to the 

corners on each stack of five or so disks. Same concept used with 

those t.v. stands that distribute the weight of the set more towards 

the edges of you entertainment center so it doesn't bow in the 

middle. 

Anyways, something to think about! I'd like to hear why that will or 

won't work. Of course, no way to no really know whether it works or 

not unless you want to take pictures of the disks and record the play 

quality, ship them to yourself along with a control batch and then 

re-check to see if there is any damage. But hey, it's fun to 

theorize right??! 

TTYL, 

ZD 

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From: "andrew bendel" 


Subject: Bring back CED? How about saving what we've got? 

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:58:03 PST 

Tom, I'm concerned that the effort by your CED group is misplaced in 

trying to spend time and money to resurrect the CED format. It cannot 

be done. However, there IS a format that is dying before our eyes -- or 

maybe I should say being killed off before our eyes. It is the 

laserdisc format. If your group wants to support a disc, why not try to 

keep the laserdisc from going into extinction? Companies that are 

pushing the DVD are currently trying to make EVERY audio/video format 

obsolete. They want the DVD to replace laserdiscs, VHS tapes, CDs, and 

audio cassettes. Partly because the DVD has a little technical edge in 

some areas. But the push is mostly a desire to make money. Can you 

redirect your group (or expand it to include laserdiscs?) Thanks! 

- Andy Bendel

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:31:37 -0500 (EST) 


To: Tom Howe 

Subject: Re: CED SERVICE TECH CENTER!! 


Guys listen up: 

Lets carefully consider this point. Lets assume for a moment that for 

what ever the reason the CED operation is not started back-up again 

(whether the reason is because of cost, lack of interest, lack of will, 

lack of practicality, lack of unifying everyone or whatever). 

Then, this is something we better do, and we can do, and I think we 

can get the aggreement of all!, that what we "CAN" do is create under the 

same ROOF is this: 

We need a "C.E.D. SERVICE CENTER!!! 

We need a telephone support line of Technicans to TELL or advise us how 

to Troubleshoot and repair our Machines!!!!! Now guys, there is no sense 

in so many people out there with machine problems with nobody to turn to!! 

If you have got a collection of disc and your machine "CRASHES" what 

are you going to do then!!!!! 

you need an office or an operation set up in conjuction with the 

people (in some way shape or form) that will be making replacement 

styluses and spare parts for these machines!!! 

in addition to this,,, we could use a "Competent" Service center set up 

of Technicans!! who know how to work on our Machines!!!! 

We, need to seek out and contact either "Retired" or used to be employed 

RCA techs who really knew how to work on these things. We need a phone 

line set up for tech advice, or the option of sending in your machine to 

be repaired!!!( for a reasonable fee or other arrangements- workable). 

I don't believe it fair to all the rest of the people out there who 

are trying to and want to maintian there machines to not have any 

resouces to rely upon when they are trying to figure it out!! Its not fair 

for 

just a few out there to know how to fix something on a machine and others 

don't!! There needs to be an open and fair outlet for all people to be 

able to repair their machines with good technical help for those people 

(I'm refering to you and I). 

We all know the problem of "Current Service Tech's" Not knowing how to 

work on the machines, and then trying to charge an arm and a leg if that! 

This can be done!! its practical!!! Its feasible!! its workable!! and I 

think its time it was done!!! There's no sense in this stuff!! there's no 

excuse for this going on the way it is!!!-- 

And for those out there that are "Brushing" this off right know are 

being Foolish!!! Your machine will break down sooner or later (whether

its mechanical or electronic!!) and then what are you going to do?????(you 

can't just look for another machine every time this happens!) 

Prehaps, we first need to worry about getting the organization going 

first that will AID or help us keep the existing machines running with 

parts and """GOOD OLE FASHIONED service Tech's we can rely on!!!!""" 

We need to get this going atleast!!! ... 

I want all of you to reply and provide some "constructive" input to as 

how we get the ball rolling on this. 

Lets try to start making sense on this.. 

We need a Service outlet for our Machines (with the spare parts we are 

talking about right now). 

As the old saying goes, "WE NEED SERVICE!!!!!" 

Lets get ourselves together on this! (can we atleast do this 

much!!!???) 

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 03:26:12 -0800 



Subject: New VideoDisc Article 


Hi All: 

I just came across an article in the October 1997 issue of _Popular Mechanics_ 

titled "Think It's New? Think Again!" that mentions SelectaVision. This 

article compares DVD to the earlier formats, and discusses a needle-based format 

from 1941 that I wasn't even aware of. This format used 10" discs rotating at 

100 rpm to produce 1 minute of B&W video per disc. In a photo, a lady is shown 

operating a giant video juke box-- the intended market for the short playing 

discs. This was reprinted from the December 1941 issue, so the advent of World 

War 2 ended any plans to market the system. 

--Tom Howe 

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Subject: The CED Future, Part Twelve 

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:16:01 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 

MIME-Version: 1.0


(The NCDL Newsletter, CED Project) 

Part Twelve: One Step Closer 

By: Daniel P. Cayea 

For eleven previous updates I have written about the 'The CED Future'. 

This time I write to tell you about my discoveries in the finding CED 

manufacturing systems and hardware. Many have made many suggestions that 

the public interest corporation, 'Capacitance Corporation' that we have for 

the project of keeping our system ongoing. Some of the suggestions that 

were made, were such that our PIC (Public Interest Corporation) offer an 

electronics company an offer to remanufacture diamond stylus cartridges. I 

have contacted several electronics companies, such as Digi-Key, whom 

haven't heard of our cartridges and hence them wouldn't say anything about 

the possibility of remanufacture. 

Amung the other questions that you have asked me through your replies to 

'The CED Future' or to your constructive criticism, such as where is the 

pressing machines that RCA had, or would we go along in the enhancement of 

our system? I have some answers and suggestions. As for the disc pressing 

machine which has been put lower on the list of priorities, as I am sure 

that somewhere in storage at Thomson Consumer Electronics it lies. However 

I jump to other question about, how can we enhance our obsolete media. 

>From my personal understanding in the system, the video and sound signals 

are derived from certain conductors (loosely speaking) in the needle relay 

the signals to be diciphered. How does this apply to the enhancement of 

our system? I have a project that I would like all of you to help me with. 

According to Tom Howe's FAQ on the CED Magic series of pages, that the 

standard revolutions per minute (RPM) for the RCA CED Player is 450. 

Others have suggested that since our media is a contact media that it may 

not sustain a higher number of RPM's. I opt this, that those with broken 

players and useless stylus cartriges try to increase the RPM number of the 

turntables by some means or another, load the needle into position. 

Increase the revolutions per minute until the needle is no longer stable on 

the disc. In what I mean by stable is that the needle will smoothly ride 

the groove of the discs. I figure after increasing the RPM's to a certain 

amount that 10 seconds before instability is reached use that RPM number as 

the highest stability point. I have done the experiment and have found 

some promising results. However before I release the results, I'd like you 

to perform the same experiment if possible during your free time and send 

me your results as well. After getting at least 5 different results I will 

publish them in a future edition of the CED Future, or post them in general 

in CED Digest. It is seriously figured that if the RPM level for the discs 

can be increased, the playback time of the disc is increased as well as 

video & sound quality improved. 

On to another subject in our quest to improve our nostalgic system. The 

footwork of improvement. I have read many articles of constructive 

critisicism on this project. I have read of those who believe that this 

project is futile, and I have read criticism about those who think that 

this project is positive and novel. I thank both parties for their

constructive criticism, however footwork is what is required. Over the 

past few weeks I have done several projects and contact several 

organizations and companies reporting my results, yet haven't gotten any 

results from those who believed that this is the novel project. I conclude 

that I must have support either physical or financial from those who also 

agree with the plans of my project. Support is not your responsibility for 

this project, yet more promising results in less time would occur if you 

could offer your support. Again I thank those who have offered your 

support and I intend to keep you updated as much as possible. 

Dan Cayea 


CED Systems Re-enactment Project 

*This message authenticated and originated from Telecom Technologies 

Headquarters. TTI is located in Lyon Mountain, New York USA (Authenticated 

2841-0090) Unauthorized use of this signature is prohibited) 

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Subject: NCDL Library 

Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:16:58 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 



Dear CED'ers. Again, like last week I am writing to inform you of the 

NCDL Library. The National Capacitance Disc Library (non-government) I have 

created for those who haven't the luxury of viewing the films on CED that they 

wish. As I am seeking donations, which are gladly accepted I will soon be 

incorporating my own collection into the libraries. If you wish to subscribe 

to the NCDL Newsletter send an e mail to 

cayead@westelcom.com with the words SUBSCRIBE NCDL in the subject line. 

Sincerely Dan Cayea *This message authenticated and originated from Telecom 

Technologies Headquarters. TTI is located in Lyon Mountain, New York USA 

(Authenticated 2841-0090) Unauthorized use of this signature is prohibited) 

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 07:15:47 -0800 



Subject: Holiday CED's 


Fellow Collectors: 

For the holidays I've updated the Featured CED to "The Nutcracker" (both 

versions actually). Also included in this feature is a list of all the CED

titles that relate to the holidays. 

--Tom Howe 


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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 12:45:20 -0600 



Subject: Ridiculous......... 

Can somebody talk about something other than reviving the CED??? This 

is getting ridiculous. We all know why the CED failed and why they will 

never start making CED's again..... Geeez.... Whatever happened to the 

good old days when people had discs to sell???? C'mon people this is 

turning into something similiar to the DAT group I subscribed to.... After a 

while all people wanted to do was create and sell bootleg tapes and not 

talk about the technology anymore...... 

Here's my idea..... Let's keep the CED a real collectors item that only a 

few people have..... Then the value of the CED can go up and we can all 

sell our units to get new DVD or LD players...... Yah!!!! Meanwhile make 

VHS backup copies of your CED's to watch......... 

Later, 

Dave. 

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:08:42 -0500 (EST) 


To: Tom Howe 



"RCA Selecta Vision Technical and Support Center." 

1-800-FIX-CED TECH's 

CED Machine Service Repair: 

Positions open: Looking for Retired Knowledgable Ex-RCA trained 

Service Personnel. Great Position for Retired (or anyone-quilified) 

Service Technicans for service and repair work on all RCA model Selecta

Vision PLayers. Great way to Earn Money in your spare time. Hours are 

Completely Flexible. Also, Technical Support Telephone line position 

Open for Tech. support for Current RCA Selectavision Machine Owners. 

Well, O.K. Guys what do you think???? Everyone pls feel Free to Join in 

on this project with your suggestions, input, and good Ideas to help make 

this a working service, that our Community needs. 

Come on Guys help me out. I know there are a lot of smart people out 

there who read this Digest. Lets work at making this a working reality. 

It can't be that difficult. If someone like me can have this much 

confidence and Vision, Surly all of you smarter people out there can 

help!! 

Lets do this for each other and for ourselves too. 

It does not have to be a mutli-million dallor project! 

I know that some of you out there have been to college, Come on! there's 

got to be some Management, Accounting, Business, and assorted Majors out 

there that are good with this stuff. 

Lets get those Good Ideas going !! 

"To the "Real" Future and Survival of the Remaining American Homes of RCA 

Selectavision populace" 

LMK... 

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Subject: The CED Future 

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:39:57 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 



The CED Future: December 1997 NSF Grant There is some good news finally 

for the possible restoration of our obsolete and nostalgic media. I have 

applied for a grant >from the National Science Foundation. The project, to see 

if it would be possible to enhance CED in it's current state using the 

technology today. I ask one small from those with any technological know how 

(preferably technicians), before any money will be sent, the NSF wants to know 

what equipment will be required. I need to know what equipment will be 

required for the following fields: Stylus Remanufacture for RCA SJT-100, 300 

Series Players Disc Stamping Press and Manufacture To go along with my own 

list, I need acurate and serious items. Hopefully we will make some real 

progress. Thanks Dan Cayea TTI *This message authenticated and 

originated from Telecom Technologies Headquarters. TTI is located in Lyon

Mountain, New York USA (Authenticated 2841-0090) Unauthorized use of this 

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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 05:38:49 -0800 



Subject: RE: Stylus Cartridge Manufacture 


The diamond tip of the CED stylus will probably be the most difficult obstacle 

to overcome in re-introducing the production of stylus cartridges. Here's a 

summary of the steps involved in its manufacture: 

1) From natural diamond, prepare .025 x .025 x .2 cm stylus blanks. 

2) Polish a flat face on the blank for electrode deposition. 

3) Clean the blank in a hot oxidizing acid bath. 

4) Rinse in high purity deionized water. 

5) Atomically clean by baking in a near vacuum at 1300 deg. C. 

6) Sputter titanium on the polished face in pure argon at a power density of 

60,000 watts per square meter. 

7) Fashion the tip into the proper shape by running it around a keel-lapping 

disc. 

8) Cut a 140 degree angle into the tip by running it around another lapping 

disc. 

RCA had to invent the oven in step (5), as no vacuum oven capable of that 

temperature had ever before been needed. The lapping discs in the last two steps 

were something like a coarse VideoDisc with a uniform groove, and had their own 

unique mastering process. 

RCA was issued a number of patents regarding stylus design, some of which 

weren't filed until 1984. These ones will still be valid until 2004, and would 

presently be owned by GE or Thomson. The full patent descriptions are public 

documents that will be available at libraries with large government document 

sections. Here's a listing by patent number: 

4,597,646 Apparatus for positioning a stylus 

4,587,570 Stylus kicker having kick energy minimization means 

4,574,306 Apparatus and method for automatically measuring the shoe-length 

of a video disc stylus 

4,561,215 Stylus lapping control 

4,560,853 Positioning and bonding a diamond to a stylus shank 

4,557,040 Alignment and insertion apparatus for an information-containing 

disc stylus 

4,536,238 Method and apparatus for aligning a chuck for holding an 

information containing disc stylus 

4,532,737 Method for lapping diamond 

4,516,232 Video disc player with compensation for stylus holder mechanical 

resonance

4,513,410 Pickup cartridge having stylus holder 

4,504,941 Stylus cartridge having stylus arm restraint 

4,502,135 Pickup cartridge having improved stylus flylead 

4,501,063 Stylus arm insertion apparatus 

4,490,945 Stylus manufacturing apparatus and method 

4,488,285 Stylus lifter locking mechanism for video disc player 

4,486,872 In-arm stylus cleaner for disc record player 

4,466,555 Jig for use in machining stylus blanks 

4,464,742 Stylus cleaner pad orientation in disc record player 

4,450,548 Disc record player having stylus cleaner 

4,443,871 Stylus lowering, lifting and cleaning apparatus 

4,442,517 Stylus protecting mechanism for video disc player 

4,441,176 Damping mechanism for a video disc stylus holder 

4,440,604 Method for the manufacture of lapping disc for forming keels on 

videodisc styli 

4,439,855 Capacitive playback stylus 

4,439,854 Video disc stylus 

4,439,853 Capacitive playback stylus 

4,433,794 Jig for machining stylus blanks 

4,429,678 Cutting stylus for mechanically cutting masters for keel-lapping 

4,429,376 Video disc stylus deflector system 

4,423,500 Stylus lifting/lowering actuator with air damping 

4,419,848 Method and apparatus for rotating a stylus during lapping 

4,418,408 Stylus arm for video disc player 

4,418,407 Video disc pickup stylus 

4,417,423 Stylus manufacturing method 

4,412,319 Video disc player with self calibrating stylus translator 

4,408,315 Video disc player having stylus cleaning apparatus 

4,406,381 Stylus dispensing apparatus and method 

4,404,669 Stylus assembly 

4,403,453 Stylus coning fixture 

4,400,806 Pickup arm suspension for video disc cartridge 

4,393,487 Stylus cartridge 

4,391,696 Method and apparatus for holding styli 

4,388,714 Technique for uniform stylus configuration 

4,387,540 Method of forming reference flats on styli 

4,382,292 Video disc player having stylus position sensing apparatus 

4,375,095 Method and apparatus for testing styli 

4,374,434 Video disc stylus cartridge with protective member 

4,370,739 Spinel video disc playback stylus 

4,369,604 Method for mechanically preparing stylus lapping discs 

4,366,563 Video disc stylus suspension apparatus 

4,365,447 Apparatus and method for sharpening a cutting stylus 

4,364,121 Pickup cartridge for video disc player 

4,363,117 Video disc with dynamic stylus cleaning 

4,358,841 Video disc player having stylus protecting apparatus 

4,355,382 Apparatus for sharpening a cutting stylus 

4,344,166 Driver arrangement for stylus lifting/lowering apparatus 

4,342,394 Removable protective cover for a video disc stylus cartridge 

4,341,437 Stylus tip positioning technique

4,340,956 Minimum tracking force stylus 

4,340,954 Stylus tip fabrication from a synthetic diamond stone 

4,337,536 Flylead for a video disc stylus cartridge 

4,330,915 Technique for uniform stylus configuration 

4,330,881 Video disc apparatus for clearing foreign matter from the signal 

pickup stylus during playback 

4,330,879 Adaptive stylus kicker using disc track and disc sector 

information 

4,327,434 Video disc stylus position sensor system 

4,320,491 Apparatus for video disc stylus electrode reconditioning 

4,320,490 Video disc cartridge having a self retaining electrode 

4,320,487 Video disc stylus control apparatus 

4,315,358 Method for the manufacture of capacitive pickup styli 

4,313,189 Stylus position sensor for video disc player apparatus 

4,310,913 Stylus tracking aid using two bimorph elements longitudinally 

aligned 

4,307,418 Video disc player system for correlating stylus position with 

information previously detected from disc 

4,297,312 Method for preparing stylus lapping discs 

4,296,371 System for measuring stylus shoe length 

4,296,144 Ion implanted stylus 

4,287,689 Method for improving the quality of low frequency output of a 

video disc pickup stylus 

4,285,524 Stylus cleaning apparatus for video disc player 

4,282,311 Method for fabricating flyleads for video disc styli 

4,280,024 Selectively damped video disc stylus assembly 

4,280,023 Stylus position sensing apparatus for video disc player 

4,266,785 Stylus lifting/lowering actuator with improved electromagnetic 

motor 

4,256,311 Video disc stylus retractor 

4,176,378 Signal pickup arm lifting/lowering and groove skipper apparatus 

4,165,560 Method for manufacturing a diamond stylus for video disc players 

4,162,510 Keel-tipped stylus for video disc systems 

4,152,641 Method and apparatus for the determination of signal pickup 

qualities of a stylus of a capacitive disc video 

player 

4,145,718 Video disc pickup with preplay stylus 

4,128,247 Stylus position control system 

4,124,867 Narrowed-electrode pickup stylus for video disc systems 

4,104,832 Method for forming keel-tipped stylus for video disc systems 

4,098,030 Method for forming a narrowed-electrode pickup stylus for video 

disc systems 

4,077,050 Video disc player employing a spring loaded stylus apparatus 

4,059,277 Stylus arm lifting/lowering apparatus for a video disc player 

system 

4,053,161 Stylus arm lifting/lowering apparatus for a video disc player 

4,049,280 Pickup cartridge 

4,046,384 Stylus cleaning system for disc record player 

4,040,635 Releasable stylus arm magnetic coupling

4,038,682 Video disc player apparatus for establishing electrical connection 

between a stylus electrode and a signal processing circuit 

4,031,546 Disc player and stylus therefor 

4,030,124 Video disc playback system and pickup cartridge therefor 

4,030,123 Stylus adjustment apparatus for a video disc player 

4,013,830 Video disc stylus 

3,952,147 Pickup arm cartridge 

3,952,145 Pickup arm cartridge apparatus 

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 15:38:30 +0200 



To: Tom Howe 

Subject: items for sale 


For sale--three SJT 400 RCA Selectavision players with remotes/owners 

manuals plus 

650 TITLES (approx 250 still in shrink wrap) including doubles, 

interactive discs, and 

holocaust (4 disc set). Want to sell as package deal to the highest 

bidder. All bids considered. write to: drilnfil@mailexcite.com or 

call +972 50 391121 Thanks, Hal 

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To: Tom Howe 

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:04:43 -0500 



For auction: 

Hope this goes out with the digest soon! The auction will run 7 days 

starting now! Thanks Tom! 

I've been holding out on this item for some time, but I hope to move 

in January and am raising all the funds I can for the move. The item 

is original RCA part nm. 153331 'TOOL'. You use it to see if the 

wheel of your player is spinning right at 450 rpm like it should. I 

have put this item at EBAY auction web just to save time since they 

take care of bidding on things (it's an auction). If you aren't

familiar with EBAY, let me know. If you are, or you're not.. it's 

very simple at the URL to visit where you can read the description 

below, see the pictures, and put in a bid is: 

http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2873830 

More description as listed on EBAY: 

This is a neat little tool for those who are proud owners of an RCA or 

compatible CED movie disk player. It was used by technicians to make 

sure the platter was revolving at the correct speed. There are 

complete instructions for it's use included. Basically, you remove the 

cover from player, put in a disk, put the spindle wheel on top of the 

disk and start it playing. If the wedges on the disk don't move, the 

disk is spinning at 450 RPM (really fast compared to 33 1/3 ehh?). If 

they appear to be turning clockwise or counter clockwise then the 

platter is spinning either too slow or fast. That's basically what it 

does. A very useful tool for someone still tinkering with an RCA 

player, or better yet, something neat to go along with your collection 

even if you aren't a guru of repairing forgotten technology. 

Condition: The wheel and instructions are in excellent condition. 

The envelope they come however has been dog eared and ruffled some as 

seen in the scan. 

Picture at: 

 

Thanks! 

p.s. Would also consider trades on this but only for CEDs on my top 5 

most wanted list! I really need the money more! 

TTYL, 

ZD 

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:42:49 EST 



Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) 

In a message dated 97-12-07 07:51:11 EST, you write: 

never start making CED's again..... Geeez.... Whatever happened to the 

good old days when people had discs to sell???? C'mon people this is 

turning into something similiar to the DAT group I subscribed to.... After a 

while all people wanted to do was create and sell bootleg tapes and not 

talk about the technology anymore...... >> 

AMEN!!!!! If I read one more posting asking for "MIB" on CED I'll quit 

subscribing to the CED Digest. I love RCA's terrible format for what it was 

and still is today...THE VIDEO EDSEL. Ford won't make you anymore Edsels and 

you're not getting any new CED movies either. What's the point? The fun of 

CED is that it is DEAD. Same reason I like LPs and 8-tracks, hell I NEVER buy 

new stuff on LPs. 

Tony 

-and don't bombard me with hate mail, it'll only further cement my position on 

this subject. 

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:27:43 EST 




Now show the patents to the NSF!!!! 

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 04:20:33 -0800 



Subject: SelectaVision Holotape 


Hello All: 

I've been asked to question, "How is it possible to record video on Saran 

Wrap?", which in thicker form was the material used in RCA's early Holotape 

format. RCA dumped the Holotape format in the development stage in favor of CED 

for unerasible storage, and MagTape for erasible storage, with MagTape 

eventually being dumped in favor of VHS. The following article published 28 

years ago in _Spectrum_ was recently posted to the Dead Media list, and 

provides a good explanation of how HoloTape worked: 

Source: "Color TV tape player employs lasers and 

holography" 

IEEE Spectrum 6 (Dec 1969): page 28 

"A laboratory model of a low-cost television color 

tape player built around lasers and holography and 

destined for home use in the early 1970s was exhibited

ecently by RCA. In commercial form, the SelectaVision 

player, which will be designed to attach to any standard 

color television set, will play full-color programs 

recorded on tapes made of the same clear, inexpensive 

plastic materials used in super-markets to wrap meats. 

"These tapes will be scratch proof, rustproof, and 

virtually indestructible under normal use. The conversion 

process is described as follows: a color program 

originating from a color television camera or color 

videotape player is recorded on conventional film by means 

of an electron beam recorder. This film, known as the 

color encoded master, is then developed and convened by a 

laser to a series of holograms recorded on a plastic tape 

recorded with photoresist, a material that hardens to 

varying degrees depending upon the intensity of the light 

striking it. 

"Next, the tape is developed in a chemical solution 

that eats away the portions of the photoresist not 

hardened by the laser beam. The result is a relief map of 

photoresist whose hills and valleys, and the spacing 

between, represent the original color television program 

in coded form. This is called the hologram master. 

"The hologram master is plated with a thick coating 

of nickel and stripped away, leaving a nickel tape with 

the holograms impressed on it like a series of engravings. 

This is the nickel master. 

"Finally, by feeding the nickel master through a set 

of pressure rollers along with a transparent vinyl tape of 

similar dimensions, the holographic engravings on the 

master are impressed on the smooth surface of the vinyl as 

holographic reliefs. The result is a SelectaVision 

program tape ready for home use. 

"Playback of such a tape requires only that the beam 

from a very-low-power laser pass through it into a simple, 

low-cost television camera that sees the images 

reconstructed by the laser directly, and their colors as 

coded variations in those images. The playback mechanism, 

the laser, and the television camera are all housed in the 

SelectaVision player, which is attached to the antenna 

terminals of a standard color television set for actual 

viewing." 

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:44:27 -0600 

From: fuselier

Organization: fuselier plating 



Subject: sell player and discs 

I have approx 70 RCA CEDs and a Radio Shack player with complete 

service manual. I need the room and will sell all for $100 

http://www.detnet.com/fuselier 

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From: LAWPATS 

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:04:31 EST 




I'ld like information on purchasing a rebuilt disc player -- does anyone sell 

such a thing. I have several non-working players 

thanks for any help 

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Subject: Telecom's CED Library 

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:49:09 -0500 


X-Priority: 3 



Telecom Technologies' National Capacitance Disc Library as many have 

pointed out will have a difficult task managing the whole collection of CED 

Materials, this can be done and it shall. To obtain information on the library 

write to cayead@westelcom.com or to subscribe to the newsletter write to the 

same address and place the words SUBSCRIBE NCDL in the subject line. 

Sincerely Dan Cayea 

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From: Defens 

Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:44:52 -0700 


Subject: this is great

MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) 

I think that this newsletter is a great idea. RCA ran out on us in 1984 

while the Lazer Disc crowd cheered. Now DVD is doing the same to them. 

Will we never learn? 

Somebody in Mexico or Taiwan should start making the players again. 

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:20:32 -0600 




>AMEN!!!!! If I read one more posting asking for "MIB" on CED I'll quit 

>subscribing to the CED Digest. I love RCA's terrible format for what it 

>was and still is today...THE VIDEO EDSEL. Ford won't make you 

>anymore Edsels and you're not getting any new CED movies either. 

>What's the point? The fun of 

>CED is that it is DEAD. Same reason I like LPs and 8-tracks, hell I NEVER 

>buy new stuff on LPs. 

>Tony 

Allright, someone that agrees with me!!!! Keep the CED dead!!!.... If anyone 

does bring it back I will be amazed..... However, I would like to start the 

committee to bring back the Ford Edsel..... We could get all of the 

information from Ford and and start mass producing the Ford Edsel.... 

Yah!!!! Who's with me on this??? Look, If we all pitch in $100.00 we can 

bring back the Ford Edsel!!!!...... Okay, I'm just joking..... gosh.... 

Why doesn't someone try to revive mechanical television???? There's an 

idea.... Better yet, we could start the committee to go back to 60 line 

television instead of 525 lines!!!! Y'know, things were a lot better back in 

those days.... Who needs HDTV???? 

Later, 

Dave. 

-BTW - My Benji CED is still playing fine with no lubricant on the disc 

whatsoever..... I'll let the site know when this CED fails...... My test to find 

out if the lubricant is really necessary continues...... The disc has been 

played at many different times without lubricant for over 6 months 

now....... 

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To: 

Subject: CED Player Search

Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:21:25 -0500 




Importance: Normal 


Telecom Technologies Incorporated is in search of an RCA Series 400 or 

compatible series player for use in the National Capacitance Disc Library. 

Any offers should be sent to cayead@westelcom.com with the words 'NCDL 

Player Bid' in the subject line. 

Dan Cayea 

TTI 

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\From: Moviefun \ 

Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:01:21 EST 


Subject: needle 


i need a new needle cartridge for an RCA Brand Selectavisoin player Model# 

sgt-075 

if you have one or any information on this, please le me know- 

thank you, 

Moviefun@aol.com 

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:18:31 -0800 



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To: Tom Howe 

Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:00:09 -0500 



Moving Sale! 

If anyone would like to purchase 5 or more titles I will discount the 

total %25 before shipping. Will offer 10-20 dollars trade credit 

towards disks on my 'most wanted' list as well but would only like to 

trade for those titles at this time.

Thanks! 

For sale or trade: 

2001: A Space Odyssey Disk 2 Only $ 2.00 

Airplane! The Movie $ 4.00 

American Werewolf in London Rick Baker Academy Award $ 3.00 

Atlantic City Susan Sarandon $ 3.00 

Blazing Saddles The New Sherriff is....BONG $ 4.00 

Blues Brothers Disk 2 Only $ 2.00 

Bullitt McQueen, THE Car Chase $ 3.00 

Casablanca What to say? $ 5.00 

Catch 22 A Mike Nichols Film $ 4.00 

Creepshow The Movie $ 4.00 

Dr. Zhivago Omar Shariff 2 $ 4.00 

Fire and Ice Ralp Bakshi, Animated Feature $ 3.00 

Fistful of Dollars, A Eastwood $ 4.00 

Goodbye Girl Marsha Mason/Drefus/Not bad! $ 4.00 

Good, The Bad, The Ugly Leone $ 4.00 

Gotcha That Guy From ER $ 3.00 

Graduate, The Mike Nichols Film/Dustin Hoffman$ 4.00 

Jailhouse Rock Elvis, Great Condition $10.00 

Magnificent Seven, The Disk 1 Only $ 2.00 

Mickey's Christmas Carol Front Taped $ 4.00 

Natl Lampoons Vacation Wally Moose Owes the Grizwalds! $ 4.00 

On Golden Pond Oscars for someone,or something $ 3.00 

Postman Rings Twice Lange/Nicholson...sweaty. $ 4.00 

Race for Your Life Charlie Charlie Brown - Peanuts $ 3.00 

Raiders of the Lost Ark Asps-Very Dangerous. U go First $ 4.00 

Raging Bull DeNiro is... 2 $ 8.00 

Reds Warren Beatty 2 $ 3.00 

Rocky III, Mr. T! Stereo $ 4.00 

The Shining Kubrick/Nicholson/SCARY 2 $ 5.00 

Star Trek The Motion Picture 2 $ 6.00 

Star Trek II KAHNNNNN!!!! 2 $ 5.00 

They Call Me Mr. Tibbs! Sidney Portier $ 4.00 

Treasure Island Walt Disney's $ 3.00 

True Grit John Wayne 2 $ 4.00 

Winnie the Pooh Many Adventures Of... $ 2.50 

These discs were renters or are cosmetically a bit wrinkley, 

mainly on the small end label or maybe these just aren't desirable 

titles! 

Benji $2.00 

Black Stallion,The $2.00 

Chariot's of Fire $2.00 

High Road to China $2.00 

Jane Fonda Workout $2.00

Most Wanted: 

1 Pee-wee's Big Adventure 

2 Rosemary's Baby (2) 

3 Warriors, The 

4 King of Comedy, The 

5 Hard Day's Night 

6 I Spit On Your Grave 

7 Breakin' 

8 Beat Street 

9 Breakfast Club, The* 

10 We're All Devo* 

Full Wanted list: 4-really really want, 3-really want, 2-might want, 

1-only on a good day. 

0-9 

A 

2 Academy Award Winners Animated Short Films {28485030794} 

2 Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai, The** {28485050563} 

2 Alice's Restaurant {24543460190} 

1 Amateur, The {24543114796} 

1 American Alcoholic/Reading, Writing, and Reefer {76476012083} 

2 Apartment, The [RCA] {76476014612} 

2 Back to the Future*** {47897401961} 

3 Bananas {76476014131} 

3 Battlestar Galactica {47897190070} 

2 Big Sleep, The {76476014292} 

2 Body Double** {76476140342} 

2 Boxcar Bertha {28485040380} 

1 Breakfast at Tiffany's {76476006846} 

3 Broadway Danny Rose {28485050419} 

C 

3 Caine Mutiny, The (2) {76476040406} 

1 Clash of the Titans {74643760720} 

3 Compleat Beatles, The* {74643821025} 

2 Conan the Barbarian (2) {47897130083} 

2 Conan the Destroyer {47897400797} 

D 

1 Day at the Races, A {74643755429} 

1 Dillinger {28485040496} 

1 Diner {74643837729} 

2 Duck Soup {76476033163} 

2 Duran Duran* {76476121723}

E 

2 Eat to the Beat-- Blondie {76476020255} 

2 European Vacation {25757115210} 

2 Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex {76476014445} 

1 Excalibur (2) {76476031459} 

F 

2 Flash Gordon*** {47897130069} 

3 Fletch*** {47897401909} 

2 Fright Night*** {76476140663} 

1 Front, The {76476030605} 

G 

2 Game of Death {24543612490} 

2 Gidget {76476040482} 

2 Godfather, Part II, The (2) {76476006440} 

2 Godzilla {28485030107} 

2 Goonies, The** {25757114749} 

2 Grapes of Wrath, The (2) {24543102496} 

H 

2 Hair** [CBS] {24543459392} 

2 Hair** [RCA] {76476114404} 

3 Hard Day's Night, A* {76476607012} 

2 Helter Skelter {24543771395} 

2 Hustler, The (2) {24543100690} 

I 

3 I Spit On Your Grave {28485000162} 

2 Island of Dr. Moreau, The {28485040540} 

J 

K 

3 King of Comedy, The {76476021702} 

2 Kiss of the Spider Woman {42995900019} 

L 

1 La Boheme** {76476121556} 

1 La Traviata*** {47897400483} 

2 Last Detail, The {76476030940} 

2 Last Tango in Paris {76476014476}

M 

2 Mad Max {28485040304} 

2 Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome** {25757115197} 

2 Man With the Golden Arm, The {24543610199} 

3 Manhattan {76476014834} 

2 Mechanic, The {24543468592} 

3 Midnight Cowboy {76476014858} 

1 Misfits, The [RCA] {76476014872} 

N 

2 Natural, The (2)** {76476140144} 

2 Nutty Professor, The {76476036218} 

O 

2 Obsession {76476030827} 

2 On the Waterfront {76476040079} 

2 Once Upon A Time In America (2) {25757200190} 

P 

4 Pee-wee's Big Adventure** {25757115234} 

2 Phantasm {76476008062} 

2 Pink Floyd at Pompeii* {76476120610} 

2 Pink Floyd The Wall** {27616102683} 

Anyone of these for novelties sake would probably suffice! 

2 Playboy Playmate Review* {24543625599} 

2 Playboy Playmate Review 2* {24543674072} 

2 Playboy Playmate Workout* {24543637394} 

2 Playboy Video Magazine, Vol. 5* {24543620594} 

2 Playboy Video, Vol. 1* {24543620198} 




2 Public Enemy {76476014582} 

Q 

2 Queen Greatest Flix* {76476121365} 

R 

2 Rebel Without A Cause {76476031091} 

2 Rio Bravo (2) {76476031558} 

3 Road Warrior, The** {25757111816}

2 Rodan {28485030138} 

3 Rollerball {24543455998} 

4 Rosemary's Baby (2) {76476006211} 

S 

2 Saturday Night Live, Vol. 1: George Carlin/Steve Martin 

{76476012045} 

2 Saturday Night Live, Vol. 2: Richard Pryor/Steve Martin 

{76476012106} 

2 Scanners {42995208061} 

2 Serpico (2) {76476006518} 

T 

2 Take the Money and Run {24543800798} 

2 Taming of the Shrew {76476030292} 

2 Terror in The Aisles {47897401268} 

2 Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The {28485000346} 

2 Tubes Video, The* {76476121419} 

U 

V 

2 Valley Girl {28485050167} 

W 

2 War of the Worlds, The {76476006297} 

2 Warlords of the Twenty-First Century {42995400267} 

3 Warriors, The {37757011225} 

2 Weird Science*** {47897402005} 

2 What's Up, Tiger Lilly? {28485040182} 

2 Wizard of Oz, The [1939] {74643713528} 

X 

Y 

2 Year of the Dragon (2) {27616107138} 

Z 

2 Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars* {76476121761} 

TTYL, 

ZD 

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 13:41:21 -0500 (EST) 


To: Tom Howe 



We'll If I recall correctly, The Digest intent and purpose statement 

header in the Digest format states that the Digest is for the use of 

CED'ers to Buy, Sell, Trade, and get Technical and Repair advice. 

Just because the Digest will not contain everything I would 

personally would like to see "Discussed" or talked about, I myself will 

not give Ultimatums, or Threats like some people on this page say, for 

instance and I quote, "If I read one more posting asking for "MIB" on 

C.E.D. I'll quit subscribing to the C.E.D. Digest". Ofcourse, If some 

party's feel it causes them such "Anxiety" maybe they shouldn't subscribe. 

I do wonder this however? "Where are all the people at right now who 

got all this started at??? I only see other persons who did not get the 

issue or subject started raking it throught the Coals. It seems the 

persons who got this started are no where to be found at the moment?? 

Some also point out other tastes and Preferences of what they 

consider something worth bringing back, for example, "I would Like to 

start the committe to bring back the Ford Edsel". 

As for the Ford Edsel, It falls victum to the same difficulties as the 

C.E.D. format and that is, "How do you get something repaired with it, 

when it breaks down?". Which brings me to my posting for this Digest:: 

So, lets start out with one of the things that Tom intended the Page 

to be used for: Repair and Technical advice; 

-Question No.#1 

Tom, when a J-series player has a picture that shakes Horizonatlly 

(picture jitter) is it realated to the motor under the plater?? another 

words is that problem solved by replacing the coil assembly under the base 

underneath??? is this achieved by replacing that assembly, or is there an 

electronic adjustment on the Mother Board?? 

Technical Question No.#2 Tom, what causes a picture on a J-series Model 

to fold near the top of the picture? where it gets kinda white tinted in 

the picture and the picture twists and distrots?? and inaddition to that 

the Stepper motor which advances the Play Arm alternates between trying to 

run forward and reverse back unable to make up its mind as to which 

direction to advance the Player Arm??? 

I figured that these questions fall within the scope of the intent of 

the Digest. 

See guys, this is something that is important to know for your "DEAD 

COLLECTIONS as you guys put it so well in your e-mails. The only point 

your over looking is that if your machines Die then Your collection will

REALLY BE DEAD THEN! as you put it so well. 

So, using this as a "Start Back in the Right Direction" as you guys put 

it, We can get some tech Advice. 

Thanx 

Mark....... 

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From: "Kathy K Whitfield" 

To: 

Subject: Lubricant 

Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:43:16 -0800 


X-Priority: 3 



I was curious what David Potochick was referring to when he said he was 

testing his Benji CED to see how long it would play without lubricant. What 

lubricant is he talking about? Am I supposed to be using lubricant on my 

CED's? I'd appreciate more information on the lubricant and what purpose it's 

supposed to serve. Thanks, George 

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 02:32:30 -0800 (PST) 


To: Tom Howe 



I just gotta say to the guy testing the "Benji" disc- I don't think I 

could stand watching it that many times!! The one time I watched mine it 

was fun to look at the 70's stuff, and the bad pan-and-scan job from the 

1.85 frame, and the smearing. I could watch it one more time soon, but 

not much more unless someone gives me a list of mistakes or inside jokes 

in the film or stuff like that. 

BTW have you ever seen the original transfer of "Network"? I have it on 

both VHS and CED and it's got "SMEAR" written all over it!! So much it's 

hard to watch the movie! It runs a few minutes over 2 hours, and the 

currently available laserdisc is on 2 discs (Thanks MGM for having mercy 

on fans of this movie and re-doing the transfer!) The CED however is a 

single disc and is time-compressed (master run at slightly faster speed) 

not only to fit on one disc, but also to make room for 3 "previews" at 

the end- the only time I've seen previews on a CED movie! For those 

curious, it has this cheesy music with the words "Also available from 

MGM/CBS Video" and has what looks like a trailer for a "Wizard of Oz" 

reissue, and very short spots for "2001" and "Fame", I'm certain "Fame" 

is a TV commercial but not sure about 2001, it's only about 15 seconds.

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:54:40 -0800 



Subject: New RCA VideoDisc Classifieds URL 


Hello All: 

If you have had the RCA VideoDisc Classifieds bookmarked, the old URL now takes 

you to a generic page instead of the specific VideoDisc classified page. The 

EPage Classified Service had a disk crash, and required the affected categories 

to be recreated. Here's the new URL, which can also be loaded from 

www.cedmagic.com: 

http://ep.com/ep/csp.html?csp=1064 

Any classifieds that were at the site when the crash occurred will need to be 

placed again. More details on the crash can be found at this URL: 

http://ep.com/b/crash.html 

--Tom Howe 

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:20:33 -0700 

To: Tom Howe 

From: "Marlin Bates, IV" 


Hello all, 

First off - Hapy Holidays. 

Second - I have been getting a large number of requests for "Dot and the 

Kangaroo" by people who have no idea what CEDs are and I am curious as to 

why. 

Any one have any answers? Also, if I made VHS copies of these for these 

people what holy legal hell would I be getting myself into? 

Thanks 

-Marlin 



---*** XL/XE: 236/ Lynx: 80/ Jag: 58/ Sega: 89/ CED: 1197/ TG:70/ 3DO: 43



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Subject: CED Player Search 

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 14:48:10 -0500 






Telecom Technologies Incorporated is in search of a RCA Series 400 Interactive 

Player for use in the National Capacitance Disc Library.Telecom is taking bids 

on this item, seeking the lowest bid, Please send your bids to 

cayead@westelcom.com or USPS to: 

Telecom Technologies Incorporated NCDL Player Bids 2841 First Street Lyon 

Mountain, New York 12952-0090 Thanks! 

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Subject: Defunct Player Search 

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:29:40 -0500 






Telecom Technologies Incorporated is in search of non-working CED Players 

for the NCDL. If you have a non-working or malfunctioning player, please 

consider donating to the NCDL. Telecom Technologies will reimburse all those 

who wish send their defunct players. In specific Telecom is in search of 

players in physically good shape that are not functional, any manufacture or 

model accepted. If you have defunct players and would consider giving them 

please send an email to: cayead@westelcom.com with 

Defunct CED Player Bid in the subject line. All and any help and donates are 

appreciated. Sincerely D P Cayea T T I On another note I would like to pay 

tribue to Bill Majerowicz for his donation to the NCDL. 

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From: (Neil Wagner) - CED Magic

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